Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

I guess thats as close as I'm going to get to an admission from you that you were wrong, so I'll take it! Worth pointing out that where we differ, is your unsubstantiated opinion against actual evidence.

No, my ?lived experience? to use a 21st century term

[swaledale]

No, my ?lived experience? to use a 21st century term

Ah OK, Lived experience for which you are unable to offer any evidence? Cool, sounds like someone who believes what they want to believe irrespective of any evidence to the contrary. There seems to be many people like yourself around these days, I guess its a sign of the times, not letting facts get in the way of a point of view.


I really must count up the number of times you have made an assumption that was wrong, followed by a statement of what you "believe" which was also wrong, or at least factually incorrect! It's amazing really, still I guess you will get something right one day.

[Andy_Faber]

Ah OK, Lived experience for which you are unable to offer any evidence? Cool, sounds like someone who believes what they want to believe irrespective of any evidence to the contrary. There seems to be many people like yourself around these days, I guess its a sign of the times, not letting facts get in the way of a point of view.


I really must count up the number of times you have made an assumption that was wrong, followed by a statement of what you "believe" which was also wrong, or at least factually incorrect! It's amazing really, still I guess you will get something right one day.

We'll have to agree to differ, both on your original assertion and your comeback/personal attack above. IMO we just have a different experience to recount. Whatever response you now offer I'm out of this particular subject. If you count that as 'winning' in some way that's up to you,

[swaledale]

We'll have to agree to differ, both on your original assertion and your comeback/personal attack above. IMO we just have a different experience to recount. Whatever response you now offer I'm out of this particular subject. If you count that as 'winning' in some way that's up to you,

I don't see it as winning, what a strange view I'm just looking at the facts here. You made two assumptions, 1) That I hadn't been and knew nothign about Great Yarmouth, that was completely wrong. 2) That you'd been there and seen its decline and expressed the view that immigration had impacted on the town and its residents. Though you provided no further details or examples of your "lived experience".

I then presented, the demographic figures, which show clearly that the proportion of immigrants in the town is very small and gave a number of factors which have impacted on the residents, immigration clearly isn't one of them.

I am very aware that some residents of this and other towns (Clacton being an example I'ved used before) have expressed the view that the reason they have issues with housing, jobs, access to GP's, etc. etc. is down to immigration. Unfortunately if immigrants are only a small percentage of the population in an area, that patently cannot be true! Some people might think it is, but that doesn't make it a fact, just somebody's delusion.

Your final response, "Lived experience" makes no sense.
1) You don't explain what this lived experience is
2) Your "Lived Expereince" may be true, but clearly isn't representative of the place.

You might as well say, it always rains in Great Yarmouth, because your lived experience is that every time you have been there is has rained. Yet that would not be true, as the record of rainfall in Great Yarmouth would clearly show.

I get it that you have nothing to back up your claims, or to put it another way, your experience is limited so as to be unrepresentative, though its odd that apparently its quite in order for you just to give some vague opinion, yet constantly challenge me to provide evidence to back up my statements and furthermore challenge me as to my sources.

You may recall that the last time you used your "lived experience" to gleefully try and counter a comment I made (re iphones), you were shown to be wrong.


Its not about winning, its about determining the facts of the matter, but maybe your invested in this post truth world, where what you believe is based on your own prejudices and views irrspective of the reality?