Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Sorry Swale I don’t see such a post, what’s the post number?

You seem more grumpy than normal, has someone nicked your placard?

Posts 287 and 288 in the One Liner thread, though to be fair I have no real objection to post 288, I don't think its funny but that doesn't mean its offensive or racist. 287 however is a broad brush Islamaphobic comment which should be as unaccetable as any other slur on a group of people simply becuase of their beliefs.

Grumpy? On the contrary I'm well happy, especially this morning that the overall progressive vote is clearly bigger than the narrow minded bigot vote, there is hope that the negative, damaging and largely untrue anti foreigner, turn back the clock to the 1950's "vision" isn't it seems what the majority of people in this country want.

Of course thee remains a rump of people willing to blame "immigration" for the issues facing the UK, but thats their problem, not mine.

Whether the Labour party heed this warning is another matter of course, but thats up to them.

[Ram Pant]

GP, water is publicly owned and run. Gas, electricity and the buses are in private hands. The railways are publicly owned.

i get my gas and electricity from the ANWB (Dutch version of AA/RAC) who supply energy on a not for profit basis. I pay just under 100 euro a month and get a bill each year if I've used more and a rebate if I've used less than I've paid for. I'm expecting a rebate of around 150 euro next month.

[Ram Pant]

Rumours that Reform UK Ltd has named Matt Goodwin as their Shadow MP for Gorton and Denton...

[ramAnag]

Rumours that Reform UK Ltd has named Matt Goodwin as their Shadow MP for Gorton and Denton...

I see Reform UK are blaming ‘woke progressives’ (consider the opposite of that for a moment ), ‘sectarianism’ and ‘family voting’ for their failure in Gorton and Denton.
Family voting? I’m sure the Johnson and Rees Mogg families are riddled with Labour supporters and the Trump offspring are all free to vote Democrat.
Apparently, according to NF, there was ‘cheating’ going on. Now where have we heard that before?

[Ram Pant]

Guess what we Cloggies have to show at the Polling Station when we go to vote.

[ramAnag]

Guess what we Cloggies have to show at the Polling Station when we go to vote.

I’m sure there’s a funny answer but I’d imagine, some proof of identity?

[ramAnag]

Posts 287 and 288 in the One Liner thread, though to be fair I have no real objection to post 288, I don't think its funny but that doesn't mean its offensive or racist. 287 however is a broad brush Islamaphobic comment which should be as unaccetable as any other slur on a group of people simply becuase of their beliefs.

258 is probably worse. Like Swale I’m not particularly offended by GP’s slightly ‘third form’ and bigoted ‘humour’ but he rapidly takes umbrage when the boot is on the other foot so clarification about acceptability would be useful.
Apart from some of TTR’s initial contributions it’s been a harmless and lighthearted thread, let’s keep it like that.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I see Reform UK are blaming ‘woke progressives’ (consider the opposite of that for a moment ), ‘sectarianism’ and ‘family voting’ for their failure in Gorton and Denton.
Family voting? I’m sure the Johnson and Rees Mogg families are riddled with Labour supporters and the Trump offspring are all free to vote Democrat.
Apparently, according to NF, there was ‘cheating’ going on. Now where have we heard that before?

Its interesting to see the Starmer / Labour voters gleefully mocking Refrom for only finishing second yet seemingly unconcerned that they themselves lost about half of their own vote and finished third, losing a seat that had been staunchly labour for 100 years or more.

They should be concerned about their own performance and particularly the popularity of their own leadership rather than rejoicing in the failure of one party who currently have but a few MPs despite their recent naming of a "shadow cabinet".

As is probably vaguely known to some here I'm no fan of Starmer and once again here we see his ability to alienate both left and right. To come third to two parties with a collective handful of standing MPs in a staunch labour consituency surely must be another nail in his personal coffin - the party may have a substantial parliamentary majority but must take note of what the ;ocal electorate think of the performance of "top management". Its clearly not all about immigration (which a large Reform win would have suggested) but its a disaffection with hapless leadership. To use an rA favoured phrase their reaction is all about deflection by labour

Now despite all that I dont think it would be good for the country if KS were to stand down at this point - this may lead to another Truss type moment which cost the country dear. Labour strategy must be to drift left to seek to recover support back from the green protest vote: its not going to drift right to gain some of the reform support. Can Starmer manage that? Its a conflict for sure - the party may need a left drift but Im not sure that the country do: but will the party come first?

[SithHappens]

Guess what we Cloggies have to show at the Polling Station when we go to vote.

Tulips?

[ramAnag]

Its interesting to see the Starmer / Labour voters gleefully mocking Refrom for only finishing second yet seemingly unconcerned that they themselves lost about half of their own vote and finished third, losing a seat that had been staunchly labour for 100 years or more.

They should be concerned about their own performance and particularly the popularity of their own leadership rather than rejoicing in the failure of one party who currently have but a few MPs despite their recent naming of a "shadow cabinet".

As is probably vaguely known to some here I'm no fan of Starmer and once again here we see his ability to alienate both left and right. To come third to two parties with a collective handful of standing MPs in a staunch labour consituency surely must be another nail in his personal coffin - the party may have a substantial parliamentary majority but must take note of what the ;ocal electorate think of the performance of "top management". Its clearly not all about immigration (which a large Reform win would have suggested) but its a disaffection with hapless leadership. To use an rA favoured phrase their reaction is all about deflection by labour

Now despite all that I dont think it would be good for the country if KS were to stand down at this point - this may lead to another Truss type moment which cost the country dear. Labour strategy must be to drift left to seek to recover support back from the green protest vote: its not going to drift right to gain some of the reform support. Can Starmer manage that? Its a conflict for sure - the party may need a left drift but Im not sure that the country do: but will the party come first?

Have they been gleefully mocking? I thought they’d been berating Starmer and it’s been staunchly Labour for 95 years.

Of course Labour should be concerned, but you have to see it in the context of RUK seeing themselves as the next ‘big thing’ when actually the new girl on the block has thrashed them so that they actually won less than 29% of the vote, albeit probably with the help of tactical voting.

I don’t recall ever using the phrase ‘defection by Labour’, but while I personally may welcome a realistic shift to the left, Starmer has to try and balance things in the interest of, eventually, having a broader appeal at the next election.