OT Border Control State of Emergency

[Stovicmiller]

Around seven thousand on the waiting list for social housing in Rotherham . Who?s getting priority?.

[UlleyMiller]

Around seven thousand on the waiting list for social housing in Rotherham . Who?s getting priority?.

Having witnessed the local council's approach to cost management when it comes to housing*, and those I'm aware of who reside in council housing, I'd assume third/fourth generation benefits system abusers must be near the top of the list....?


* At some point in time, provision of housing started to include (and may not be limited to):
Solar panels being retrofitted
Heat pumps being retrofitted
Remedial maintenance of any 'fabric' or fitting within the houses
Extensions being built with very little rationale
Purchasing new build homes at three times the value of housing for sale within the borough

[Shark27]

Having witnessed the local council's approach to cost management when it comes to housing*, and those I'm aware of who reside in council housing, I'd assume third/fourth generation benefits system abusers must be near the top of the list....?


* At some point in time, provision of housing started to include (and may not be limited to):
Solar panels being retrofitted
Heat pumps being retrofitted
Remedial maintenance of any 'fabric' or fitting within the houses
Extensions being built with very little rationale
Purchasing new build homes at three times the value of housing for sale within the borough

You may now get Kerr telling you that some benefits claimants also work really hard.

[UlleyMiller]

You may now get Kerr telling you that some benefits claimants also work really hard.

Two things can be true at the same time. I've no doubt at all that there are a large number of people who claim benefits to top up poor wages, and many will work very hard. That's an inevitable outcome of a lower than reasonable minimum wage, an inefficient approach to benefits, and swathes of business owners who hide behind these things (and the "I take all the risks" gambit) to justify piss poor wages for employees and low-tax, excessive payments to them and theirs.

But, the fact that these issues are rife, does not take away from the fact that there are countless benefits system abusers, generations deep, often without jobs at all but in many cases they meticulously plan jobs and hours around being able to maximise the handouts. I remember far back enough that I can recall a stigma around this, but that's seemingly replaced by either denial that it happens, or by the "I'm better off not working" shrug.

It's not about ethnicity, it's barely even political. We just went wrong on a number of things.

[Spuddy Speight]

Then there's the zero hour contracts. ZHCs are reportedly being addressed under the Employment Rights Act 2025.
Said Act might kick in some time in 2027.
Zero hour contracts are rubbish.

Pros: Flexibility, opportunity to gain experience, and the ability to combine work with other commitments.

Cons: No guaranteed income, financial instability, potential for unfair treatment, and difficulty planning life around inconsistent hours.

Meanwhile some people arriving on our shores from faraway places and not carrying any ID are being seamlessly integrated into our communities amply supported by UK taxpayers money.

[MillerBill]

Then there's the zero hour contracts. ZHCs are reportedly being addressed under the Employment Rights Act 2025.
Said Act might kick in some time in 2027.
Zero hour contracts are rubbish.

Pros: Flexibility, opportunity to gain experience, and the ability to combine work with other commitments.

Cons: No guaranteed income, financial instability, potential for unfair treatment, and difficulty planning life around inconsistent hours.

Meanwhile some people arriving on our shores from faraway places and not carrying any ID are being seamlessly integrated into our communities amply supported by UK taxpayers money.

How can we access from Rotherham council how many migrants are being housed here, through the Freedom of Information Act ?

[Shark27]

Two things can be true at the same time. I've no doubt at all that there are a large number of people who claim benefits to top up poor wages, and many will work very hard. That's an inevitable outcome of a lower than reasonable minimum wage, an inefficient approach to benefits, and swathes of business owners who hide behind these things (and the "I take all the risks" gambit) to justify piss poor wages for employees and low-tax, excessive payments to them and theirs.

But, the fact that these issues are rife, does not take away from the fact that there are countless benefits system abusers, generations deep, often without jobs at all but in many cases they meticulously plan jobs and hours around being able to maximise the handouts. I remember far back enough that I can recall a stigma around this, but that's seemingly replaced by either denial that it happens, or by the "I'm better off not working" shrug.

It's not about ethnicity, it's barely even political. We just went wrong on a number of things.

I fully agree. It?s why I don?t think people should dismiss people who complain about benefits scroungers by bringing up the people who work hard or countering the scroungers argument with the billionaire tax dodgers argument. Both need to be sorted.

[Spuddy Speight]

How can we access from Rotherham council how many migrants are being housed here, through the Freedom of Information Act ?[/QUOTE]


Submit a Request: You can use the Rotherham Council FOI online form to submit new inquiries.

[UlleyMiller]

How can we access from Rotherham council how many migrants are being housed here, through the Freedom of Information Act ?

Submit a Request: You can use the Rotherham Council FOI online form to submit new inquiries.[/QUOTE]

A few things to consider:
They don't necessarily keep records of everything you may think.
You'll need to be clear about what you mean by 'migrant' - it's a blanket term covering many more specific groups.
If information is accessible already, they won't necessarily refresh it for you.
If the information is deemed sensitive, they may refuse.
If collating the information is costly (there are thresholds), they may refuse.
The information (if provided) is likely to be useless without proper context.

[UlleyMiller]

I fully agree. It?s why I don?t think people should dismiss people who complain about benefits scroungers by bringing up the people who work hard or countering the scroungers argument with the billionaire tax dodgers argument. Both need to be sorted.

Yes, they do, and a good deal else besides. Small boats and poorly controlled borders are not the problem, they are a problem. Billionaires are not the problem, they are a problem. And so on, with poor government policies, generally poor attitudes from benefits system abusers, slipping standards in our society around 'low level' crimes, and so on.

Migrants entering the UK and being perceived a certain way is a far wider, far more nuanced issue than some would have us believe, and until people (generally working class people... and by that I mean all those who require an income) start to shout louder about wider issues and to question narratives more, people will remain divided on the components and fail to push forward on the bigger problems.