The Chairman speaks out

[Pocket rocket]

Time to move on from MH.
I heard credible stories which put him in a difficult position. I also heard credible stories of the team being underprepared and players not understanding what he wanted from them. Which ones are true? You can’t just accept one without the other because you like him.
Truth is he will be remembered as the manager who got us relegated that’s not debatable.
Like I said time to move on RUFC is more important than a manager who just simply imo wasn’t up to the task. Let’s move on to what happens next.

[Beaufighter]

Who's "big burns"?

Because there is a space in an unfamiliar user name you cannot fathom which post I’m talking about? Do you have attention deficit disorder?

[bigburns]

Anyone got a list of all Hamshaw's signings?

1. Spence
2. Benson
3. Cann
4. Martha
5. Hall
6. Adegboyega
7. Kaleta
8. Cover
9. Agbaire
10. T Holmes
11. Etete
12. Sousa
13. Gore
14. Sherif
15. Baptiste
16. Biacheri
17. Yearwood

[Townerslovechild]

People love someone to blame, Rob Scott is the popular choice at the minute.
I'm sure every Rotherham manager picks who wants to sign within the financial constraints if the club,he will be assisted in this by Mr Scott, that's his job.
While he's been in the job we've had some great players, for every Kian Etete,there's a Ogbene,Johannson,Crooks,Barlaser,or Gore.

[the_idiotb_stardson]

1. Spence
2. Benson
3. Cann
4. Martha
5. Hall
6. Adegboyega
7. Kaleta
8. Cover
9. Agbaire
10. T Holmes
11. Etete
12. Sousa
13. Gore
14. Sherif
15. Baptiste
16. Biacheri
17. Yearwood

Many thanks for posting this. Reason I asked is that Lol Morgan in a previous post , was told of the financial restrictions placed on Hamshaw- which sounded credible?

I put Lol's post below

"Steven Evans spent 7.4m in the second time he was with us, he signed Dawson on 7k a week.Matt was given 1m budget but was not to sign anybody on over 1500 a week wages.This is why we got the players, the crocks, the kids.I take this is what you already knew.I have no reason to disbelieve this chap"


Just wondering if Lol's info checks out with the list. At first glance it looks as though he has a point. At work at the moment. Will go through the list in more detail later.

[bigburns]

Many thanks for posting this. Reason I asked is that Lol Morgan in a previous post , was told of the financial restrictions placed on Hamshaw- which sounded credible?

I put Lol's post below

"Steven Evans spent 7.4m in the second time he was with us, he signed Dawson on 7k a week.Matt was given 1m budget but was not to sign anybody on over 1500 a week wages.This is why we got the players, the crocks, the kids.I take this is what you already knew.I have no reason to disbelieve this chap"


Just wondering if Lol's info checks out with the list. At first glance it looks as though he has a point. At work at the moment. Will go through the list in more detail later.

I would guess what he was told (?1.5k pw) would apply to January signings rather than the summer. I doubt we are paying much, if anything at all for the young loan players

[Heliosphan78]

1. Spence
2. Benson
3. Cann
4. Martha
5. Hall
6. Adegboyega
7. Kaleta
8. Cover
9. Agbaire
10. T Holmes
11. Etete
12. Sousa
13. Gore
14. Sherif
15. Baptiste
16. Biacheri
17. Yearwood

Forgetting the following players...

18. Watmore
19. Gray

And...

Kayode, McGuckin, Jack Holmes were offered contracts by Hamshaw.

[RU66]

Looking at that list of the previous managers signings they'll be a scale down to say wages of 1,500 pounds a week then higher. Let's wait to see the total wage bill for this season compared to the one Evans got last season not listening to agents who could have something against TS cause he won't be ripped off by them.

[UlleyMiller]

Honest, sans-agenda take on where most/many fans were with these:

1. Spence Solid player when fit, very few doubted he was a good signing.
2. Benson Big risk, possibly big reward, slightly more risky than we should have gone
3. Cann Signed as cover for what many think to be an expensive first choice - was always going to be cheap option if we had a lot of wages tied up with the first choice
4. Martha Aside from those who later claimed to have intimate knowledge of Dutch youth football, few were haters
5. Hall Similar to Martha
6. Adegboyega Managed to kid many of us with his first outing, easy to see why management could have gone the same way
7. Kaleta Comparisons with Lembikisa, assumed a luxurytype player for the position he was expected to play
8. Cover Very little consensus
9. Agbaire Looked a proper talent, very few had issues
10. T Holmes See Adegboyega, but multiply by a very big number
11. Etete First outing concerned everyone, second he convinced most, proper yo-yo player
12. Sousa Not sure anyone knows why he came
13. Gore One of our best all season, very few doubters aside from the SE lynch mob because of the back story
14. Sherif Most assumed he'd be a threat
15. Baptiste Similar to Gore, very few doubters
16. Biacheri Similar to Sousa, very little noise to suggest anyone thought he'd play much
17. Yearwood Most assumed a risk, like Benson, but may be an asset if fit

My point is, by and large, there wasn't a massive amount of noise (especially reasoned noise) that we'd signed a load of sh**e. MH managed them poorly, and there are clearly some massive ongoing issues around fitness.

Going through that list, the main issue is getting them playing at all, not well. On their best days:
1. Spence - Great L1 midfielder, proper engine
2. Benson - Able to take the piss at L1 level, far too good
3. Cann - Solid back-up, may not be quite good enough to be a starter
4. Martha - Championship level skills and pace, but there's something not clicking (could be attitude, fans have made their mind up either way)
5. Hall - Solid full/wing back, plays hard, very good at L1 level
6. Adegboyega - Half a game is the only 'at his best' I have seen, impossible to judge but not seen a deal of positives
7. Kaleta - Looks good but hasn't had a consistent run or position
9. Agbaire - Best days, looks the business - not been the same player since Bradford owned him and the injury
12. Sousa - Wouldn't know him if he walked into my local
13. Gore - There was a brief moment where it seemed we might be flirting with the idea of a cheeky offer for him, and it would have been a huge highlight to this season. Machine, absolute top tier for L1 and would do it a level above.
15. Baptiste - Has got better and better. Sadly won't be around next season, but would walk into most L1 sides
16. Biacheri - Brief spell in first half against the Dingles (misses aside) he looked good, but very little to go on
17. Yearwood - Absolute rock, challenges everything and wins most of it

Again, the issues are not the talent we've brought in. Badly managed, and getting very little from what has (at times) shown to be a very capable squad. If RS is charged with identifying talent, the only real gripe we could have is that he's (POSSIBLY) not picking up on poor attitudes. If we got the best out of that squad, and kept them fit, we'd have gone up. We saw how good they could be on a handful of occasions. I'm not trying to sh** on MH because there's far more going on with the club, and even LC has intimated that the players screwed him over, but he was ultimately the one in charge and his failure to adapt and address the problems that were very likely happening behind the scenes so he had to take the fall.

We had the tools, we just absolutely f***ed about trying to use them. First 18 games we lost 30% of the time... after that point, from game 19 to now, we lost over 70% of the time - stats can be manipulated, but that is absolutely striking. Something was going badly wrong around November, and NONE of the management/leadership dealt with it.

[Timbertop]

Steve McClaren ?