O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[upthemaggies]

As you know from our agreements on other topics, I'm open to heterodox thinking, but here, personally, I'd say there are hardly any parallels.

The only one I can see is the catch-all 'one group of people is being treated differently to another group of people' line of reasoning, which could be applied to an enormous number of situations.

I dare say there are also people in the Jewish community, and escapees from authoritarian regimes who are perfectly happy with the current public health policies, for whatever that is worth.

Yes, I wouldn't and didn't claim they *all* feel that way, but some do. Seeing what's happening in some other countries, I can see why people are making the connection. The world we've grown up in and taken for granted is not the default setting, something like Nazi Germany, the Chinese revolution or the Soviet Union will almost certainly happen again. If what we are seeing now is the very beginnings of the end for the free west - as we've known it - collapsing over the course of several decades to a century from now, then it won't just be unvaccinated people being blamed for whatever disasters unfold, the outcasts may not be unvaccinated or health pass related at all. but 2020-21 will likely be looked back upon as the turning point.
I won't be cheerleading it.

[applepie2]

Bear in mind Jews (my great grandfather being one) were not rounded up and thrown into concentration camps from day 1. It was a gradual step by step process which took place over the course of many years. There are people in the Jewish community who are seeing parallels. ditto those who escaped from communist countries and North Korea.

It’s the changes to the law, for example making various protest actions illegal, that are going through parliament now, unscrutinised and uncontested, that worry me.

[BigFatPie]

It’s the changes to the law, for example making various protest actions illegal, that are going through parliament now, unscrutinised and uncontested, that worry me.

Yes the sight of Tory MPs waving through those draconian changes while whining at being told to wear a mask would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.

As always with those people, they’re fine with attacking other’s rights but are quick to shout ‘oppression’ when they’re affected.

[keldsyke]

You would imagine players and sportsmen in general are a bit more clued up about what's going on, for obvious reasons (well, obvious to some of us).

I wouldn’t bank on it a mate of mine a player (he’s been double jabbed) at a club (not Notts) was tested after a match a couple of months ago, 4 of the 2 match day squads tested positive, 8 of the remaining players hadn’t had one jab so had to self isolate, from what I’ve heard not many have had the full 2 doses.

[upthemaggies]

I wouldn’t bank on it a mate of mine a player (he’s been double jabbed) at a club (not Notts) was tested after a match a couple of months ago, 4 of the 2 match day squads tested positive, 8 of the remaining players hadn’t had one jab so had to self isolate, from what I’ve heard not many have had the full 2 doses.

That's what I was alluding to, that a high percentage of footballers haven't had the jab because they're more aware of the potential side effects and what has been happening to athletes around the world in the last 6 months.

[BanjoPie]

That's what I was alluding to, that a high percentage of footballers haven't had the jab because they're more aware of the potential side effects and what has been happening to athletes around the world in the last 6 months.

What has been happening to athletes around the world in the last 6 months???

[upthemaggies]

What has been happening to athletes around the world in the last 6 months???

What has always happened - on occasion. Sports men and women (including officials) collapsing and requiring CPR, some dying.
It could be that the current frequency is perfectly normal on a global scale, but the suspicion is that it isn't. If not, it may not be anything to do with the jab but some other phenomena, maybe it's an effect of the virus. It's too early to tell - these things take many many years to assess properly, which is why we would normally have trials and control groups for a new vaccine, especially one that works in a whole new way. Instead the law has been changed so the drug companies are no longer liable if something goes wrong.

This is also the first time we've conducted a vaccination programme with a pandemic in full swing, with the high risk of applying pressure to the virus to mutate in the vaccinated and drive the variants which evade vaccines, creating an arms race with it, as warned by the man who discovered AIDS and a scientist who was advising the WHO on the Ebola outbreak.

We do know for sure that what is being injected isn't staying in the place it was meant to do, it wasn't designed to end up in the heart, the reproductive areas etc. but at least in some people, that is what is happening. We don't know if the changes to the immune system will be permanent (even after just one shot) and what the implications of that would be.


I've taken flu jabs, I've had my kids vaxxed against MMR etc. I'm in the vulnerable group, so believe me, I've looked into this and continue to gather all of the information I can about these vaccines, how they work, what's in them, what's been censored, who's been censored, who has resigned under pressure to give the OK for these vaccines to be used, what the track record is for the companies pushing them is, I monitor all of this pretty carefully on a daily basis. Doesn't make me an expert, but I respect the opinions of people who are putting their reputations on the line to speak the truth as they see it, I do not respect the opinion of a behavioural psychologist and self proclaimed communist advising the government or people purely out to make a profit out of a crisis.

[BanjoPie]

What has always happened - on occasion. Sports men and women (including officials) collapsing and requiring CPR, some dying.
It could be that the current frequency is perfectly normal on a global scale, but the suspicion is that it isn't. If not, it may not be anything to do with the jab but some other phenomena, maybe it's an effect of the virus. It's too early to tell - these things take many many years to assess properly, which is why we would normally have trials and control groups for a new vaccine, especially one that works in a whole new way. Instead the law has been changed so the drug companies are no longer liable if something goes wrong.

This is also the first time we've conducted a vaccination programme with a pandemic in full swing, with the high risk of applying pressure to the virus to mutate in the vaccinated and drive the variants which evade vaccines, creating an arms race with it, as warned by the man who discovered AIDS and a scientist who was advising the WHO on the Ebola outbreak.

We do know for sure that what is being injected isn't staying in the place it was meant to do, it wasn't designed to end up in the heart, the reproductive areas etc. but at least in some people, that is what is happening. We don't know if the changes to the immune system will be permanent (even after just one shot) and what the implications of that would be.


I've taken flu jabs, I've had my kids vaxxed against MMR etc. I'm in the vulnerable group, so believe me, I've looked into this and continue to gather all of the information I can about these vaccines, how they work, what's in them, what's been censored, who's been censored, who has resigned under pressure to give the OK for these vaccines to be used, what the track record is for the companies pushing them is, I monitor all of this pretty carefully on a daily basis. Doesn't make me an expert, but I respect the opinions of people who are putting their reputations on the line to speak the truth as they see it, I do not respect the opinion of a behavioural psychologist and self proclaimed communist advising the government or people purely out to make a profit out of a crisis.

You need to stop reading the rubbish put out by anti-vaxxers and conspiracy nutters. Read the facts, listen to the scientists - there is absolutely no link between any footballers or other athletes collapsing with heart issues and the vaccine. People all over the world have always had unknown heart issues, just google how many runners have died in a half or full marathon - fit healthy people who trained for the race, just keeled over and died BEFORE covid ever existed. Wise up and get yourself vaccinated before its too late.

Stay safe

[maddogslater]

My dear bro whom loves going to Notts caught covid in August and only suffered mild symptoms, he's 24 stone and not in great health. I'm convinced if he wasn't double jabbed would not be going down with me on Saturday.
I also share some of the concerns by UTM, interesting debate this, without personal attacks so far.

[Elite_Pie]

I also share some of the concerns by UTM, interesting debate this, without personal attacks so far.

While I try and respect personal freedoms and not blindly follow like a sheep, from a personal point of view I find the evidence pretty conclusive. Get the jabs as soon as you can, because overall it helps not only you but everyone else in minimising the effects of this virus. I'm triple jabbed and have had Covid (thankfully mild), I'll be booking my next booster as soon as I'm allowed.