Seven Covid deaths

[Returnofrros]

Hey, the social control thing was mine - and to think certain people thought I was stupid for mentioning it

I know but that's a badge of honour, not many folk change my mind.

I didn't think this country could fall to authoritarian corrupt people, I thought Scots were too smart for that.

I first realised this wasn't as dangerous as they were making out May 2020, Mr Hitchens was talking about the direction of travel from the very early days re freedom and liberty and his arguments got ever more compelling, you were on about social experiments....and then the lies, jerrymandering of numbers, continual moving of goalposts.....I went from slightly scared of COVID, to wait a minute, to astonishment, to now terrified of where this country is at.

Now there's a bit of hope that most people are beginning to at least question.....I fear the change to how we are governed is irreversible.

Sturgeon is completely out of control, Johnson has no control.

Whitty blaming the 6 million waiting list of NHS patients on......wait for it.....not locking down harder and earlier.......err like Belgium, Italy, Germany, France.

No Chris there's 6 million on waiting lists because of you and the rest of the control freaks closed the NHS and turned it into the national COVID service.

They are now rewriting the last 21 months.

[Returnofrros]

Think Boris is winning. Some very weak comments from scientists trying to explain why deaths are not piling up, yet. Obvious answer is Omicron isn't as deadly for vaccinated people. Maybe things are turning your way, Deeranged and Rross?

Sturgeon is a bigger problem....and she will never give this up, her powers need to be removed and chased out of office.

She is now finding ways to lock people up without having to depend on Uk money.

To hell with the Scottish economy and those trying to earn a buck.....

[BCram]

Maybe we will get a rethink about our health service priorities? GP'S put back at the centre of a national health service.
More beds seem to be needed to deal with the backlog so perhaps a review of how wards are used.
Review of system of budgets. Say a team can do 3 hip ops in an 8 hour day. Could 2 teams be employed to do 6 ops a day in a shift system?

This covid crisis might end up being a catalyst for change.

[islaydarkblue]

Maybe we will get a rethink about our health service priorities? GP'S put back at the centre of a national health service.
More beds seem to be needed to deal with the backlog so perhaps a review of how wards are used.
Review of system of budgets. Say a team can do 3 hip ops in an 8 hour day. Could 2 teams be employed to do 6 ops a day in a shift system?

This covid crisis might end up being a catalyst for change.

One of the problems with the huge backlog of operations in the NHS both in Scotland and the rest of the U.K. is that surgeons and anaesthetists also carry out private health work.
I will explain.
When I had my prostrate operation at the Royal Alexandra Hospital in Paisley the surgeon and anaesthetist carrying out my operation were based at the Ross Hall private hospital where they also carried out private operations.
I mentioned to my anaesthetist before my operation that I had noticed that he and my consultant who was also my surgeon were both based at Ross Hall private hospital. He confirmed this.
Patients at Fernbrae Private Hospital used to have their operations in Ninewells Hospital. I assume that Fernbrae Hospital paid the NHS and since 1999 NHS Scotland for the use of the operating theatres at Ninewells Hospital.
A lot of people now have private healthcare which has resulted in people having to wait longer for an operation on the NHS which was happening long before Covid arrived in the U.K. in February 2020.

[Deeranged]

One of the problems with the huge backlog of operations in the NHS both in Scotland and the rest of the U.K. is that surgeons and anaesthetists also carry out private health work.
I will explain.
When I had my prostrate operation at the Royal Alexandra Hospital in Paisley the surgeon and anaesthetist carrying out my operation were based at the Ross Hall private hospital where they also carried out private operations.
I mentioned to my anaesthetist before my operation that I had noticed that he and my consultant who was also my surgeon were both based at Ross Hall private hospital. He confirmed this.
Patients at Fernbrae Private Hospital used to have their operations in Ninewells Hospital. I assume that Fernbrae Hospital paid the NHS and since 1999 NHS Scotland for the use of the operating theatres at Ninewells Hospital.
A lot of people now have private healthcare which has resulted in people having to wait longer for an operation on the NHS which was happening long before Covid arrived in the U.K. in February 2020.

I had an operation at Fernbrae - was never even mentioned that I could go to Ninewells for it. I've known people to be sent from Ninewells to Fernbrae for ops, I've also know people sent from Ninewells to Foresterhill in Aberdeen or Glasgow Royal Infirmary for specialist treatment and don't see an issue with hospitals sharing specialist facilities between their patients; NHS or not NHS.

Earlier this year I was referred to Albyn in Aberdeen, my surgeon told me that Albyn had been taken over by the NHS during Covid and that he was only doing NHS work. Again, sharing of resources.

Surgeons, Anaesthetists, specialist doctors and nurses etc. do private work to supplement their salaries. I used to do homers to supplement my wages as do many other qualified tradespeople. Why shouldn't someone use the skills and qualifications they've worked hard to attain to supplement their salaries and improve their and their family's lives?

[islaydarkblue]

I had an operation at Fernbrae - was never even mentioned that I could go to Ninewells for it. I've known people to be sent from Ninewells to Fernbrae for ops, I've also know people sent from Ninewells to Foresterhill in Aberdeen or Glasgow Royal Infirmary for specialist treatment and don't see an issue with hospitals sharing specialist facilities between their patients; NHS or not NHS.

Earlier this year I was referred to Albyn in Aberdeen, my surgeon told me that Albyn had been taken over by the NHS during Covid and that he was only doing NHS work. Again, sharing of resources.

Surgeons, Anaesthetists, specialist doctors and nurses etc. do private work to supplement their salaries. I used to do homers to supplement my wages as do many other qualified tradespeople. Why shouldn't someone use the skills and qualifications they've worked hard to attain to supplement their salaries and improve their and their family's lives?

There was a period back in the 1980’s when doctors practices purchased services from the NHS. I know a member of Downfield Golf Club who received a hip replacement at Ninewells Hospital whilst he was a patient at Fernbrae. It was cheaper for him to stay as a patient at Fernbrae than it was at Ninewells Hospital.
In my opinion consultants, surgeons and anaesthetists should either be doing NHS work or private patient work and not a combination of the two. NHS waiting lists would soon start to fall if consultants, surgeons and anaesthetists were employed solely to carry out NHS work.

[Deeranged]

There was a period back in the 1980’s when doctors practices purchased services from the NHS. I know a member of Downfield Golf Club who received a hip replacement at Ninewells Hospital whilst he was a patient at Fernbrae. It was cheaper for him to stay as a patient at Fernbrae than it was at Ninewells Hospital.
In my opinion consultants, surgeons and anaesthetists should either be doing NHS work or private patient work and not a combination of the two. NHS waiting lists would soon start to fall if consultants, surgeons and anaesthetists were employed solely to carry out NHS work.

Have a think about what you've written there.

if consultants, surgeons and anaesthetists had to choose between NHS and private consultation how many do you think would opt for the NHS? They'd go where the money is and we'd be living in a country, like USA, where if you don't have adequate medical insurance you don't get treated.

Now I know you're a raging, evil Tory supporter but I really don't think you'd like that would you? People walking into A&E and being denied life saving treatment because they can't guarantee payment for it?

[BCram]

Sturgeon is a bigger problem....and she will never give this up, her powers need to be removed and chased out of office.

She is now finding ways to lock people up without having to depend on Uk money.

To hell with the Scottish economy and those trying to earn a buck.....

I think if Westminster Parliament does not apply lockdown rules, it kind of puts her personally in a very difficult position. She is so much at the centre of Scottish policies she can't blame anyone for the decisions she has taken. The sums of money she can find in her budget, I imagine, will be completely insufficient to pay for a lockdown policy exclusively delivered in Scotland. She is on the record as saying she cannot pay for lockdowns in Scotland without the money coming as a consequence of Westminster needing the money for English lockdowns.
If Boris can get the medical proof that Omicron is not going to produce a tsunami of hospitalizations, he might be able to stand up to the medics who may have lost sight of what is really happening.
Somehow, as you point out, the medics and Sage seem to think that their reputations are more in need of protection than actually looking at the evidence. The experts have always said that they deal in facts. Perhaps they need to look at the facts and review their predictions.
Giving them the time to think again, without the possible figleaf of a full lockdown might give the Westminster Parliament the will to return democratic principles to the heart of decision making.

[Returnofrros]

I think if Westminster Parliament does not apply lockdown rules, it kind of puts her personally in a very difficult position. She is so much at the centre of Scottish policies she can't blame anyone for the decisions she has taken. The sums of money she can find in her budget, I imagine, will be completely insufficient to pay for a lockdown policy exclusively delivered in Scotland. She is on the record as saying she cannot pay for lockdowns in Scotland without the money coming as a consequence of Westminster needing the money for English lockdowns.
If Boris can get the medical proof that Omicron is not going to produce a tsunami of hospitalizations, he might be able to stand up to the medics who may have lost sight of what is really happening.
Somehow, as you point out, the medics and Sage seem to think that their reputations are more in need of protection than actually looking at the evidence. The experts have always said that they deal in facts. Perhaps they need to look at the facts and review their predictions.
Giving them the time to think again, without the possible figleaf of a full lockdown might give the Westminster Parliament the will to return democratic principles to the heart of decision making.

The proof is there bcram, it's always been there ....from the South African experience, to the low hospitalisations, to the flat lining death rate, to the 4 times as many tests to get less than a 50% increase in cases like for like against last year.

The evidence is there.

This country is in the process of a revolution.

People have to stop testing, stop complying and start to ridicule the people making the decisions......or they will continue, every winter, effecting more and more lives.....they cannot believe they are getting away with this.

Leeds fans, darts fans and dare I say Ant and ****ing Dec have a far bigger effect than they think.....politicians don't like ridicule.

I remember the anti Thatcher chants at the cup final sometime in the 80s a bit of brutalist industrialised chanting about sturgeon at the football would make her wince.....did she even ever come back to Scotland.

Keep politics out of sport and football I can hear you say but she has imposed herself on sport and into our lives, she deserves the Johnson treatment but I know Scots just don't seem to have the stomach for the fight.

And it's not even politics, it's her, she now believes it is her right to impose these restrictions, there must be plenty in the SNP who think she's as mad as a dab whose just his boiler suit shrunk in the wash.....but none will step forward.

[islaydarkblue]

The proof is there bcram, it's always been there ....from the South African experience, to the low hospitalisations, to the flat lining death rate, to the 4 times as many tests to get less than a 50% increase in cases like for like against last year.

The evidence is there.

This country is in the process of a revolution.

People have to stop testing, stop complying and start to ridicule the people making the decisions......or they will continue, every winter, effecting more and more lives.....they cannot believe they are getting away with this.

Leeds fans, darts fans and dare I say Ant and ****ing Dec have a far bigger effect than they think.....politicians don't like ridicule.

I remember the anti Thatcher chants at the cup final sometime in the 80s a bit of brutalist industrialised chanting about sturgeon at the football would make her wince.....did she even ever come back to Scotland.

Keep politics out of sport and football I can hear you say but she has imposed herself on sport and into our lives, she deserves the Johnson treatment but I know Scots just don't seem to have the stomach for the fight.

And it's not even politics, it's her, she now believes it is her right to impose these restrictions, there must be plenty in the SNP who think she's as mad as a dab whose just his boiler suit shrunk in the wash.....but none will step forward.

I know SNP supporters on Islay who think that Nippy is wonderful and cannot accept any criticism of her.
The SNP MSP’s will never say anything bad against as long as she is in power as their chance of promotion will be gone forever.
Several years ago I sent an email to my SNP MP Brendan O’Hara asking him if he was in favour of Scotland becoming an independent country as he would lose his job at Westminster.
His reply was “We as a party at Westminster all voted in favour of Scotland becoming an independent country”.
That is the problem with SNP MPs and MSPs. They are not allowed to think for themselves and have to tow the party line even if they lose their job. It is a bit like being a politician in Russia, China or North Korea.
Brendan O’Hara will be all right as he can get a job running the Celtic Fanzine where posting under his username Pikey Bhoy he previously posted that Maurice Johnston was a rat for signing for Rangers.