Charlie Cresswell Dilemma ?

[Tichi1]

In case it appears to the contrary I think overall Farke is a good manager especially at this level. Compared to Yee Ha he is incredible.

He took over at a very difficult time and stabilised everything. The style of play is pretty attractive and at times we dominate teams.

I just think he has handled the Cresswell situation badly (and hope it can be resolved without Cresswell leaving) and I am not convinced by how he uses subs or keeps the whole squad interested not least the younger players. It has been said he has his favourites and that is not always a good way to run a squad.

Tell me the manager that doesn't?

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Tell me the manager that doesn't?

True but it gets problematic if it appears that it is not based on talent - shudders at the memory of Warnock and his favoured few.

[Monaco_Totty]

I agree or at least happy with Rodon and Struick starting. I get Coopers experience being 3rd choice.
I would love Charlie to come through and be a star for us but don't have an issue with Farke right now.
I've heard Charlie is a very very confident lad, actually an extreme big head. Maybe this has lead to him not stating his view in the right way ?
Thus upsetting the manager who wants to run a tight, obedient ship ?
There are ways it could have been handled better it seems. My suspicion is that Charlie has voiced his opinion too strongly.
It's a real shame as in an ideal world he would break through and be 3rd choice right now and maybe progress further.
None of us know for certain though what has gone on behind the scenes. I can't believe Farke would potentially weaken his options though for no good reason.

Sniffer.
Dunno your age but suspect you've been involved with the game & certainly to a decent level at some stage judging by your articulate balanced comments input on all your posts & threads which i enjoy.

Psychology wise Doctor folks would have sat down with such personality types like Charlie has, have a calm & normal conversation about matters & tell said folks to think about it & keep dialogue open.

Controlling the behaviour of an "adult" is nor appropriate as they should be controlling it themselves.
If others are trying to control it, maybe they are half of a problem here or maybe Farkes "expectations are reasonable" but that is not always clear to all 20 year olds.

Main problem in my eyes after being in group therapy sessions with a few athletes over the years is they were raised in an "everybody's a winner" type environment where even the last place finisher requires some sort of trophy. Thus, they expect to be rewarded pretty much for everything, even just showing up never mind actually doing a good job in there chosen sport pathway.

From afar, that is what i believe is the main issue in this particular scenario as i've heard of this situation happening many times particularly when young players "move on" & matters still dont work out for them.
Whatever the outcome i hope all goes well for all parties.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Lot of assumptions in there MT - none of really know Cresswell or his personality beyond the little we glean from interviews and the media.

The comments from Millwall suggest he isn’t needy or requires excessive praise etc. He basically forced his way to being a starter through hard work.

There has been nothing from Cresswell and his dad tweeted a picture of Charlie in a Millwall shirt before the POSH game saying he hoped Charlie got some game time.

That again is part of my issue with what Farke did and the way he did it - people are now speculating that Charlie has some form of attitude problem when I suspect none of us know. Charlie can’t respond to what was said and Farke is unlikely to back down so Farke created the issues and did so by parking it in a one way cul de sac.

If you look at comments Farke has made about other LUFC players he talks about mental attitude sometimes - he did with Bambi around Christmas. If you look up his approach whilst at Norwich he seemed quite willing to throw people under the bus regularly.

That is one style of management from hr Jose M school but I just think he can do better than that and the debate on here kind of shows how ill advised it was not least for a young player trying to break through - it is pretty much the worst criticism you can level.

If Cresswell now wants to tell Daniel to get the Farke outta here I have some sympathy with him.

Farke is in a position of power and with that comes responsibility including for younger players well being.

[WTF11]

Lot of assumptions in there MT - none of really know Cresswell or his personality beyond the little we glean from interviews and the media.

The comments from Millwall suggest he isn’t needy or requires excessive praise etc. He basically forced his way to being a starter through hard work.

There has been nothing from Cresswell and his dad tweeted a picture of Charlie in a Millwall shirt before the POSH game saying he hoped Charlie got some game time.

That again is part of my issue with what Farke did and the way he did it - people are now speculating that Charlie has some form of attitude problem when I suspect none of us know. Charlie can’t respond to what was said and Farke is unlikely to back down so Farke created the issues and did so by parking it in a one way cul de sac.

If you look at comments Farke has made about other LUFC players he talks about mental attitude sometimes - he did with Bambi around Christmas. If you look up his approach whilst at Norwich he seemed quite willing to throw people under the bus regularly.

That is one style of management from hr Jose M school but I just think he can do better than that and the debate on here kind of shows how ill advised it was not least for a young player trying to break through - it is pretty much the worst criticism you can level.

If Cresswell now wants to tell Daniel to get the Farke outta here I have some sympathy with him.

Farke is in a position of power and with that comes responsibility including for younger players well being.

What he said, again!

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I'm not fully versed on the youth system in the UK.

However, is seems the FA is a corrupt and incompetent organization. As such, you are much more likely to come up with a better training process using an independent approach such as Brentford than following the standard process that's overseen by the FA. Probably could blend that over time.

I also can't help but wonder if the current system doesn't just act as a "beauty pageant" for the best youngsters? Does someome like Finley Gorman get spotted as quickly if they aren't in the FA system? While we received top dollar for a 15YO the fact is that 1.5 million on someone that was developing as quickly as he was will likely prove a poor investment for us. Frankly, we didn't have to sell financially and he'll cost mulitples of that if he have to purchase in the market 5 years down the road.

If you look at the youth set ups around the world and player transfers sadly it appears it may be as much about making money in some cases and exploiting younger players as it is about youth development.

[Sniffer999]

Sniffer.
Dunno your age but suspect you've been involved with the game & certainly to a decent level at some stage judging by your articulate balanced comments input on all your posts & threads which i enjoy.

Psychology wise Doctor folks would have sat down with such personality types like Charlie has, have a calm & normal conversation about matters & tell said folks to think about it & keep dialogue open.

Controlling the behaviour of an "adult" is nor appropriate as they should be controlling it themselves.
If others are trying to control it, maybe they are half of a problem here or maybe Farkes "expectations are reasonable" but that is not always clear to all 20 year olds.

Main problem in my eyes after being in group therapy sessions with a few athletes over the years is they were raised in an "everybody's a winner" type environment where even the last place finisher requires some sort of trophy. Thus, they expect to be rewarded pretty much for everything, even just showing up never mind actually doing a good job in there chosen sport pathway.

From afar, that is what i believe is the main issue in this particular scenario as i've heard of this situation happening many times particularly when young players "move on" & matters still dont work out for them.
Whatever the outcome i hope all goes well for all parties.

Thanks for your kind words MT. I very much appreciate your posts too. I am 54 years old. I did play to a decent level but ultimately did nothing special. Played on about 30 league grounds. Numerous famous opponents such as Gascoigne, Batty, Speed, Pallister, and dozens of other well known stars. Managed by Norman Hunter.
I know of the psychology side of things but it wasn't around in my days.
Let's hope things turn out well for Charlie and Farke but ultimately LUFC is what matters, as it as done all my life.
Time will tell....

[Monaco_Totty]

Lot of assumptions in there MT - none of really know Cresswell or his personality beyond the little we glean from interviews and the media.

The comments from Millwall suggest he isn’t needy or requires excessive praise etc. He basically forced his way to being a starter through hard work.

There has been nothing from Cresswell and his dad tweeted a picture of Charlie in a Millwall shirt before the POSH game saying he hoped Charlie got some game time.

That again is part of my issue with what Farke did and the way he did it - people are now speculating that Charlie has some form of attitude problem when I suspect none of us know. Charlie can’t respond to what was said and Farke is unlikely to back down so Farke created the issues and did so by parking it in a one way cul de sac.

If you look at comments Farke has made about other LUFC players he talks about mental attitude sometimes - he did with Bambi around Christmas. If you look up his approach whilst at Norwich he seemed quite willing to throw people under the bus regularly.
If Cresswell now wants to tell Daniel to get the Farke outta here I have some sympathy with him.

Farke is in a position of power and with that comes responsibility

Poveda & Summerville have had LUFC club internal issues but kept their head down without fuss tho Hopey.

Both joined Leeds equipped with tactical, physical & technical prowess but poor mental skills, which are needed to succeed in football at a high level.
Both came from totally different backgrounds than Charlie too.

Poveda issues of injuries, loans & a driving ban conviction due to excess booze - but no shouts from him regarding game time or lack of it under Farke.

He'd grown up in Southwark, London from humble roots then enjoyed a "glamorous" youth career, playing for the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Barcelona & Man City, before signing for Leeds in Jan 2020 when we were battling to win promotion to PL, then loaned out to less glamour loan stints at Blackburn & Blackpool of late with no fuss & Farke let him play for Columbia in Dec 2023 friendly too, i recall.

As a schoolboy in inner-city London, the people who saw him head to Barcelona & back to Brentford all knew he could play. Poveda departed Brentford in 2016 due to the closure of Brentfords club's academy & behind closed doors the then Brentford’s academy staff called him “The Wizard” & were careful not to use that nickname when he was around or if other players were listening but every time they got chatting about Poveda the conversation between them would always buzz about his talent in an article written by The Athletic i've read.

Young talent requires firm management, imo.

Summerville too had his moments since his Surinamese parents approved him to play football on the street in order to make him avoid the risk of negative behaviours like crime around his homes in the rough Rotterdam provinces Boulevard Zuid & Vuurplaat.

He was suspended for fighting in Feyenoords training ground aged 16 & shipped out on loan twice before Leeds nabbed him after he re-focused mentally under Alan Pardew at Den Haag.
Marsch also reigned him in for flying back to Rotterdam to much to be with his childhood friends party wise - again no fuss from the player when fined behind the scenes.


In truth i expected a better attitude from Charlie as he was bought up in a "football wise" steady family background similar to Gray.
But i'll leave it there & revisit when the situation is clearer.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Poveda & Summerville have had LUFC club internal issues but kept their head down without fuss tho Hopey.

Both joined Leeds equipped with tactical, physical & technical prowess but poor mental skills, which are needed to succeed in football at a high level.
Both came from totally different backgrounds than Charlie too.

Poveda issues of injuries, loans & a driving ban conviction due to excess booze - but no shouts from him regarding game time or lack of it under Farke.

He'd grown up in Southwark, London from humble roots then enjoyed a "glamorous" youth career, playing for the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Barcelona & Man City, before signing for Leeds in Jan 2020 when we were battling to win promotion to PL, then loaned out to less glamour loan stints at Blackburn & Blackpool of late with no fuss & Farke let him play for Columbia in Dec 2023 friendly too, i recall.

As a schoolboy in inner-city London, the people who saw him head to Barcelona & back to Brentford all knew he could play. Poveda departed Brentford in 2016 due to the closure of Brentfords club's academy & behind closed doors the then Brentford’s academy staff called him “The Wizard” & were careful not to use that nickname when he was around or if other players were listening but every time they got chatting about Poveda the conversation between them would always buzz about his talent in an article written by The Athletic i've read.

Young talent requires firm management, imo.

Summerville too had his moments since his Surinamese parents approved him to play football on the street in order to make him avoid the risk of negative behaviours like crime around his homes in the rough Rotterdam provinces Boulevard Zuid & Vuurplaat.

He was suspended for fighting in Feyenoords training ground aged 16 & shipped out on loan twice before Leeds nabbed him after he re-focused mentally under Alan Pardew at Den Haag.
Marsch also reigned him in for flying back to Rotterdam to much to be with his childhood friends party wise - again no fuss from the player when fined behind the scenes.


In truth i expected a better attitude from Charlie as he was bought up in a "football wise" steady family background similar to Gray.
But i'll leave it there & revisit when the situation is clearer.

Unless you have inside information how do you know what Cresswell has actually done/saidas Farke was light on detail but heavy on crtiticism.

A fair few LUFC pundits have wondered whether in the face of media questioning he didn’t think and free styled a little bit too much.

I have listened to the interview a few times and what Farke seems to be saying is

1. Charlie is not happy with being number 4 - why is that a problem?

2. He sensed that on the coach on match days Cresswell wasn’t happy and thus not mentally ready or focussed - how on earth did he sense that without speaking to him and how does he extrapolate to not in the right mental place?

If those two points are the full extent of cresswell’s issues then my oh my what on earth is going on!

Equally, there may be more to it but there was no need for any of it to be public.

[Sniffer999]

Hopey, here are my educated guesses to maybe answer your points:

1 It is good Charlie is unhappy at being number 4. It's maybe the way he displays is displeasure. Negative body language too often which will stand out clearly when the squad is together.

2 He would sense his displeasure via body language and non verbal communication, along with I suspect occasional verbal communication that is not what is expected.

I don't profess to know this Hopey and I have no facts which make my reply correct. It is easy to support either side and never know if anyone is correct. I just hope there is a positive resolution for LUFC but I wouldn't bet on it unfortunately.