Macca new captain

[upthemaggies]

You could flip the narrative and say we had the 48th highest gate in the country despite finishing in 78th position, so are well run in order to attract those crowds whilst under performing on the pitch.
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Flipping it would mean Bournemouth and Luton are the two worst run clubs, finishing around 30 places higher than where their gates say they should be, which would make no sense whatsoever.

Man Utd have just won the FA Cup and qualified for the Europa League but their fans aren't happy. Most people will understand why that is, because they're the number 1 supported club and expect their league position to closely reflect that.
Nobody was in massive shock either that the club with the lowest support, FGR, have dropped back into the NL.

So yes, Notts should be upper L1 and if the current owners can't achieve that, or at least get close to it, then they can be added to our list of failures, regardless of how 'nice' they are.

[LilCrazyKim]

On-field success (or lack thereof) is obviously a good indicator of whether an owner is good or not but making that judgement based on individual seasons does have its risks because well run clubs will still have bad years and badly run clubs will still have good ones. One of our most successful seasons this century was 2009/10 and whatever your thoughts on the current owners, I'm sure we all agree they're better than the con artist who saddled the club with £7million of debt and then disappeared.

The important thing is whether you think things can improve off the back of a poor year.

[Kent Magpie]

Flipping it would mean Bournemouth and Luton are the two worst run clubs, finishing around 30 places higher than where their gates say they should be, which would make no sense whatsoever.

Man Utd have just won the FA Cup and qualified for the Europa League but their fans aren't happy. Most people will understand why that is, because they're the number 1 supported club and expect their league position to closely reflect that.
Nobody was in massive shock either that the club with the lowest support, FGR, have dropped back into the NL.

So yes, Notts should be upper L1 and if the current owners can't achieve that, or at least get close to it, then they can be added to our list of failures, regardless of how 'nice' they are.

My point is really a well run club is much more than league position compared with gate and the fact that we can flip it so easily shows that. We are clearly not the second worst run club, but neither are Luton or Bournemouth. You can't determine whether a club is well run or not on 1 metric, not least one which has some many influences which affect the number. On that metric we will remain a poorly run club no matter what we achieve next season.

Post war, we have only had 2 long runs of finishing above our gate position... when Saint Jimmy then Wilkinson were in charge and again with Warnock then Walker, during Dunnett and Pavis' tenures. The only other decent owner we had was Scardino and the Reedz are amongst the worst (1949 being the only other Post War year where we were more badly run and they have the Non-League years where we were well below our gate position too). I just don't buy that they are so awful.

[1955pie]

Flipping it would mean Bournemouth and Luton are the two worst run clubs, finishing around 30 places higher than where their gates say they should be, which would make no sense whatsoever.

Man Utd have just won the FA Cup and qualified for the Europa League but their fans aren't happy. Most people will understand why that is, because they're the number 1 supported club and expect their league position to closely reflect that.
Nobody was in massive shock either that the club with the lowest support, FGR, have dropped back into the NL.

So yes, Notts should be upper L1 and if the current owners can't achieve that, or at least get close to it, then they can be added to our list of failures, regardless of how 'nice' they are.

Their are some very sad, unhappy people on this board.
Have you not enjoyed the football of the last 2 or 3 seasons? It is miles and miles better than most of the dross I have had to watch over the decades.
As for last season, it was not the owners fault (nor SM's) that LW walked out on us mid season. That was absolutely the worst possible time to go.
And what about all the off the field ventures. Sound system, complete revamp on the pitch (with undersoil heating possibilities), The Nest with its' potential to considerably improve the clubs' finances.
These things are gradually moving the club forward to help provide a more enjoyable experience for "most" fans.
Slowly, slowly catchee monkey. The results will come.
If you want to look at badly run clubs, just look at their pitches, toilet facilities, refreshments etc. I am sure Durham could rattle off a very long list in no time at all.
I think we at Notts County have got something to be proud of.

[northpie1862]

Singling out two of the very worst of the 470 players who've played for Notts over the last 24 years doesn't alter the FACT that last season was below 20th century average.
Facts are objective not subjective. This is football not Figure Skating, you get no points for style and nobody jumps out of their seat to punch the air screaming with joy whilst looking at a balance sheet (not that ours are healthy, going by what was posted on here).

Finishing 30 places lower than our gate position suggests we're the 2nd worst run club in the football league, behind Bradford City.

99% of owners of any club will claim they they are "heading in the right direction" and "working towards sustainability" unless they're looking to sell it. Name one owner who has ever said "We have no plan, we're just wingin' it. We want to mix up our style of play every season and lose more money."

This is the thing with ‘FACTS’ you can skew them however you want, if you want to lie to yourself and others on here and say that the general mood / buzz around the club isnt as good as its been for a long time - so be it.

Quoting stats about gate figures then making snipes about style is interesting, id think most sensible people on here would recognise the improved style of play has done a lot to increase the gate numbers over the Bros tenure.

You can keep screaming into the void about FACTS though, be my guest…

[upthemaggies]

This is the thing with ‘FACTS’ you can skew them however you want, if you want to lie to yourself and others on here and say that the general mood / buzz around the club isnt as good as its been for a long time - so be it.

Quoting stats about gate figures then making snipes about style is interesting, id think most sensible people on here would recognise the improved style of play has done a lot to increase the gate numbers over the Bros tenure.

You can keep screaming into the void about FACTS though, be my guest…

Massive amounts of projection here and you've clearly lost all sense of reality. The momentum and buzz was lost with the joint worst home run of results in Notts' history.

The objective of the game is to acquire points to finish as high as you can in the league table. Nobody gets to skew those facts, it's there in black & white for all to see.

[Old_pie]

Massive amounts of projection here and you've clearly lost all sense of reality. The momentum and buzz was lost with the joint worst home run of results in Notts' history.

The objective of the game is to acquire points to finish as high as you can in the league table. Nobody gets to skew those facts, it's there in black & white for all to see.

In Black & White please average home game attendance LW, average home attendance SM.

[northpie1862]

Massive amounts of projection here and you've clearly lost all sense of reality. The momentum and buzz was lost with the joint worst home run of results in Notts' history.

The objective of the game is to acquire points to finish as high as you can in the league table. Nobody gets to skew those facts, it's there in black & white for all to see.

If a couple of months adjusting to a new manager was enough for you to lose the buzz built over a number of years, then maybe you arent the yardstick for buzz we are looking for.

If you want to talk black and white facts (and how they show that its not all doom and gloom like you want to make us all believe):

Last season in Notts Co. History:

4th Most points in a league 2 season this century.

3rd Highest goals scored in a season this century.

Highest average attendance this century.

Funny how you can use FACTS to paint any picture you want isnt it.

[marky]

I don't think there's any doubt we hugely underachieved last season but with the 2 new signings and the captaincy change it does feel like they're actively doing something to change that. I wanted promotion or at least a play off spot last season but it didn't happen so we've just got to do it next season.

[durhampie]

I don't think there's any doubt we hugely underachieved last season but with the 2 new signings and the captaincy change it does feel like they're actively doing something to change that. I wanted promotion or at least a play off spot last season but it didn't happen so we've just got to do it next season.

You can sign all of the worlds top players, but if the man coaching the team is not up to scratch then the results will follow suit..