O/T Democracy

[great_fire]

Any rise in income is welcome no matter which Government is in power.
It’s over a period of 5yrs isn’t it for 21yr olds upwards.
Have they mentioned how their going to fund it ? Will it be the employer that funds it ?
Labours is £10 per hr for 18yrs old, implemented immediately.

I hope that money tree is a big one.

On the one hand it's good for British workers, on the other hand it will lead to another increase in immigration so British workers may not be able to get those minimum wage jobs.

[animallittle3]

Any rise in income is welcome no matter which Government is in power.
It’s over a period of 5yrs isn’t it for 21yr olds upwards.
Have they mentioned how their going to fund it ? Will it be the employer that funds it ?
Labours is £10 per hr for 18yrs old, implemented immediately.

I hope that money tree is a big one.

There are certainly many many small businesses with less than 10 employees who will struggle to make that commitment frank .

[ragingpup]

. Is that not what Labour do.,make all kinds of promises before an election. Wasnt one bout repaying students debt until it was costed.

No it wasn't, but don't let facts stop you.

https://fullfact.org/education/stude...id-labour-say/

[ragingpup]

It works, to an extent, Corbyn promised to splash the cash in 2017 and the Tories promised cuts, the result was that the Tories lost their majority.

Now Johnson is promising to splash the cash.

But anyone who believes manifesto promises is a fool.

83% of the MPs elected in 2017 were elected on manifestos that promised to deliver Brexit.

I think that until now there has always an intention to make manifesto promises that are at least intended to be fulfilled. From both parties. Both know that they will be held to account. Like both parties fully intended, and intend, to land the EU. The problem is how.

But the point in making is that the Conservative party will approach the next manifesto making any promise full well knowing, and not caring, that the spending commitments can't be fulfilled. It simply doesn't matter to them, as long as they provide the economic hit that their backers wish for. Therefore, all well make a fast buck and the normal working chap will embark on many more years of austerity.

Post brexit, once the damage is done, I think it obvious that in the future negotiations that will happen, the future government (once the current lot resign post no deal brexit as they aren't interested in anything else) will again accept full freedom of movement as part of the overall package. The people who led the campaign, and their backers will have had their full by then, and be long gone.

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

There are certainly many many small businesses with less than 10 employees who will struggle to make that commitment frank .

Yes, that’s what I was leading up to.
Will Agencies be paying the higher rate ?
The Tories didn’t agree with the NMW that Blair brought in and said it would cost thousands of jobs.
NMW did stagnate and wasn’t increased year by year.

[animallittle3]

Let's have a game of poker Pup but I won't play unless you show me all your cards,because I don't want to lose.When will these remainiacs understand how negotiations are done?

The fundamental issue has very little to do with the Benn Act or Johnson having to keep his cards close to his chest .

The Irish Backstop is the problem and everyone knows it .

[WanChaiMiller]

Any rise in income is welcome no matter which Government is in power.
It’s over a period of 5yrs isn’t it for 21yr olds upwards.
Have they mentioned how their going to fund it ? Will it be the employer that funds it ?
Labours is £10 per hr for 18yrs old, implemented immediately.

I hope that money tree is a big one.

The employer funds it.

As an employer the problem you have with an increase in minimum wage is you have to keep the differentials with your employees on higher wages. It means you virtually increase your whole payroll.

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

The fundamental issue has very little to do with the Benn Act or Johnson having to keep his cards close to his chest .

The Irish Backstop is the problem and everyone knows it .

Bojo seems to think he can sort it animal.
Whether he can convince the EU and the DUP and get it backed in Westminster is debatable.

[flourbasher]

No it wasn't, but don't let facts stop you.

https://fullfact.org/education/stude...id-labour-say/

If i remember correctly labour said they would honour the result of the EU referendum.
Now that,s not the case.

The labour leader also did not denounce the actions of Russia in the novichok episodes.

The labour leader also has strong links to Palestinian terror groups which he tries to deny.

Labour, under the leadership of Corbyn, at the next general election?
A labour council voted back into Rotherham?

You,ve got to be kidding right?

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

The employer funds it.

As an employer the problem you have with an increase in minimum wage is you have to keep the differentials with your employees on higher wages. It means you virtually increase your whole payroll.

Surely you have to have a strong economy and higher GDP, if and I do say if the economy does crash after Brexit it could take quite a while to get back on track.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some companies reduced their workforce to part fund it.