Just remember black lives matter.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I have been looking back at some of the images from the protests. One is of a young man carrying a placard saying “the UK invented racism”. I am sorry for this boy because clearly our educational system has failed him. Failed him and countless others. We can do better. I should be aiming to do better.

One thing we don't put on the curriculum is our despicable colonial, imperialist past.

Huge fortunes were made via asset stripping, slavery and just about every other nefarious activity we could dream up. I'm pretty sure the Greeks and Romans beat us to it on just about every front though outwood?

If these contemporary kids need something to really get excited about it's the Tory attitude towards the Caribbean people brought in to bolster our post-war economy and take up the jobs we did not have the manpower to do ourselves.

One word: WINDRUSH. Now that is a scandal worth getting into a lather about.

[Vintage Claret]

One thing we don't put on the curriculum is our despicable colonial, imperialist past.

Huge fortunes were made via asset stripping, slavery and just about every other nefarious activity we could dream up. I'm pretty sure the Greeks and Romans beat us to it on just about every front though outwood?

If these contemporary kids need something to really get excited about it's the Tory attitude towards the Caribbean people brought in to bolster our post-war economy and take up the jobs we did not have the manpower to do ourselves.

One word: WINDRUSH. Now that is a scandal worth getting into a lather about.

The treatment of the Windrush generation by the UK government is disgraceful.
The people of the Windrush generation were invited to come to UK shortly after the end of world war two. They came here to work and assist the British economy grow after those war years.
After some sixty to seventy years the Home Office, who presumably had been instructed by their political masters, decided that those people and their descendants had no right to remain in Britain. This was and still is a national shame that we as a country cannot recognise the work those people have done in helping the British economy grow and that they be automatically granted British citizenship. Most of these people came form countries in the Caribbean and were at that time part of the British Empire as it was then called. They have spent most of their lives living and working in the UK, which include paying their taxes.
I firmly believe that there is deep rooted racism within our government, which came to the fore in the Brexit campaign. This is not only in some of our members of parliament but also within the civil service.
I would like to see the government take a stand to change their policy and support these people, demanding that the home office withdraws all their threats of deportation permanently.

[army88]

One thing we don't put on the curriculum is our despicable colonial, imperialist past.

Huge fortunes were made via asset stripping, slavery and just about every other nefarious activity we could dream up. I'm pretty sure the Greeks and Romans beat us to it on just about every front though outwood?

If these contemporary kids need something to really get excited about it's the Tory attitude towards the Caribbean people brought in to bolster our post-war economy and take up the jobs we did not have the manpower to do ourselves.

One word: WINDRUSH. Now that is a scandal worth getting into a lather about.

Just a thought BT but are they all oppressed and treated badly or did a large percentage stay and make great lives for themselves in our great country.

Everything you post is negative towards anyone with a differing opinion to yours , lots of black people have prospered in our country I wander if they are jumping up and down , looting abusing Innocent White people.

It a like racism to white people doesn’t exist for you in our country , the fact that black brothers kill each other all the time here , I guess that doesn’t matter either.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Just a thought BT but are they all oppressed and treated badly or did a large percentage stay and make great lives for themselves in our great country.

Everything you post is negative towards anyone with a differing opinion to yours , lots of black people have prospered in our country I wander if they are jumping up and down , looting abusing Innocent White people.

It a like racism to white people doesn’t exist for you in our country , the fact that black brothers kill each other all the time here , I guess that doesn’t matter either.

I hear what you say army88, but I vehemently disagree.

Time and time again Johnson and the Tory party display the kind of overt racism that blows my mind. Read post 106, it's eloquence takes some beating.

Time and time again Johnson and Pritti Patel have had the opportunity not to deport people who have made their lives and families here.

Quite often these people have no familial connections in the Caribbean and yet they are still chucked on "Do One Airlines". Tory policy often, and much too often for my liking embarrasses me to be English.

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[army88]

[QUOTE=The Bedlington Terrier;39509591]I hear what you say army88, but I vehemently disagree.

Time and time again Johnson and the Tory party display the kind of overt racism that blows my mind. Read post 106, it's eloquence takes some beating.

Time and time again Johnson and Pritti Patel have had the opportunity not to deport people who have made their lives and families here.

Quite often these people have no familial connections in the Caribbean and yet they are still chucked on "Do One Airlines". Tory policy often, and much too often for my liking embarrasses me to be English.


Interestingly you mention Boris being racist again I mean he has Risi Sunak and Priti Patel in his cabinet ( is it just racism to negro black now or is it any black ethnic culture ? )

I watched Priti in an interview the other day where they tried the race card with her and eloquently replied what you don’t think I was called a paki when growing up ? Brilliant put the racist bigot questioning her right in his place .


The more I read your posts about how racist Boris and his party his the more I realise you are trundling along with the rest of left latching onto anything to unseat unsettle and divide the government and eventually the country.

I read yesterday that one organiser protester had COVID 19 From the crowd of 5000 I wander if he’s transferred it to many and they will die soon ( will black - white lives matter to you and all those people).

This really has spiralled so far out of control it’s untrue and they have the white people - business on the run because they’re frightened to death to even have an opinion now, and that’s because you point the figure and shout racist.

I’ve posted this previously and I’m convinced it’s true you and the others have pushed racism in this country back a hundred years , you might think it’s all great and your getting what you want but trust me your not.

You have created and underlying unrest that will turn to hate in a lot of cases if it carries on like this, rationally everything you want is / was doable but with every body on board and pulling in the same direction what you have succeeded in doing is going in ten directions and that’s why it won’t work.

You could say that it’s a minority left that’s ruining it for everyone but I don’t hear anyone really condoning any of it or what’s happened, the so called superstars of the world , all you get is yes everyone do
It peacefully- there is no
Passion to stop this before it boils over from the icons or people that matter.

Our police on a knee for black
Lives matter and punched and kicked the same afternoon doesn’t quite stack up for me.


But as I’ve also said before Divide and Conquer, this in America was to divide the country incite the blacks and get Trump
Out of power ( if he gets in again - oh how I’ll laugh at the underhand tactics to remove him from power ).

How anyone would want the other Creepy candidate in charge is beyond me.

[outwoodclaret]

One thing we don't put on the curriculum is our despicable colonial, imperialist past.

The Empire and Colonies are indeed on the curriculum BT at least at the level I studied. Whether the correct balance is being achieved in the teaching of this subject however is certainly moot. I would like to see some comparative teaching here. Perhaps we could look at the same time at say the 20th century Ottoman and Japanese Empires. Or how does one approach current Chinese behaviour in Tibet and Hong Kong or towards the Uighurs? Is China now an Imperial power? Then again how do we teach about Saudi Arabia and the House of Saud? Their record on human rights, their legal system and the treatment of dissent. Is the West culpable of ignoring abuses in Saudi Arabia because the Saudis are regarded as a major ally in maintaining stability in the Middle East? I remain worried BT that fuelled by social media people will jump to quick answers to what are definitely not simple questions.

[Balanbam00]

BT: The British Empire and what it took from India ??

Drawing on nearly two centuries of detailed data on tax and trade, Patnaik (New research by the renowned economist Utsa Patnaik - just published by Columbia University Press - deals a crushing blow to this narrative). He calculated that Britain drained a total of nearly $45 trillion from India during the period 1765 to 1938. It's a staggering sum.

For perspective, $45 trillion is 17 times more than the total annual gross domestic product of the United Kingdom today.

[Norder]

BT: The British Empire and what it took from India ??

Drawing on nearly two centuries of detailed data on tax and trade, Patnaik (New research by the renowned economist Utsa Patnaik - just published by Columbia University Press - deals a crushing blow to this narrative). He calculated that Britain drained a total of nearly $45 trillion from India during the period 1765 to 1938. It's a staggering sum.

For perspective, $45 trillion is 17 times more than the total annual gross domestic product of the United Kingdom today.

for a true perspective - Balan....need to always look at the pre-colonial situation, as in other countries - India had rival states, the sultans/kings/empires were at War...the soldiers were the people - their crops/taxes supplied and supported their military - who's officials owned much of the land and monetary control - the few ruled the many and the few held all the wealth - So I see Colonialism much as a modern management company - they organised the system into a more efficient machine - and took a cut for their trouble....the divided leaders of old would just as before....take their share of the booty - and with much less waste and more control over the people - became even wealthier.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Get ready for the sh-it storm guys, Harry Enfield has just used the C O O N word on LIVE radio.

WTF was he thinking? And some people actually believe we don't have a problem with "race" in this country?

[Balanbam00]

Not only that outwood ?
What about the question of morality? Can morality be taught in schools ? Teachers only emphasise, 'don't do this ,or don't do that ? The only pathway is to follow a spiritual path ,I do not say religious because of the ''we and they,'' Be it Christians or Muslims,Jews and Muslims ,its always 'we and they'.Spirituality encompasses the whole sphere. People say ''I follow neither religion I abide by truth I harm no one. That's all that is necessary nothing more is needed,I also tell no lies! Morality is only an effort to lead a well strong and constructed life,perhaps more correct to say it is a dynamic force, because the balance in outside spheres of life is kept going by waging a pauseless war against all opposite ideas. If the unbalanced state of mind is disturbed at any moment the show of morality may break down.
That is why morality should not be ones aim in life but a state higher,a spiritual aim or goal.
It can not be said that a moralist resists a bribe of hundreds ,will also resist a bribe of thousands. Not to indulge in falsehood is not the aim of life, the tendency of telling lies should be dispelled from ones mind