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Thread: O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

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    Even if that minerals deal with the US secured Ukraine all of their lost territory and a return of their abducted citizens (including children), I would say it's immoral. The US has basically announced they never cared about peace or anyone's sovereignty - it's only ever been money. Vile.

    But to be all about "compelling commercial opportunities"... with one of the most corrupt nations on earth run by one of the most brutal authoritarian regimes on earth, the guys who started the war... it's just unbelievable. A whole new layer of unbelievably disgusting crap coming from Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy6025 View Post
    I am sceptical on how much of the Liberal Partys resurgence in the polls is a reaction to the election and behaviour of Donald Trump, rather than a reflection a several other factors that have recently upset the previous trajectory.

    Our former prime minister, Justin Trudeau, who was so beloved outside of Canada but absolutely hated within, finally stepped aside. As your chart shows, he was getting absolute wrecked in the polls and he was taking the whole Party down with him.

    Some of the reasons for his unpopularity were as follows: There is a very serious housing crisis here that has been getting exponentially worse with each successive year and they have been doing absolutely nothing about it - even go so far as to tell the public they will not bring housing prices down. Inflation, while according to official numbers has been coming back down closer to normal, people are not seeing it at the grocery stores. Or infrastructure has suffered from severe neglect and lack of investment. This is apparent in every major Canadian city, and Canadians are finally becoming aware that countries like China have far surpassed us in modernizing. This is coupled with the fact that we, like many western countries, have been bringing in record numbers of immigrants but just do not have the public infrastructure to support them and accommodate so many people. There has also been a significant shift in the wind in regards to identity politics issues. Trudeau was the champion of jumping on top of a Pride Parade float - this is now backfiring. As you may recall he was caught in photographs wearing black face more than once and is was probably the only global leader of his time who could get away with it. But his years of talking a lot while saying nothing are catching up with him. It was long evident before he realized it that be needed to go.

    But nobody was ever really excited about the Cinservative Partys leading man. They only wanted to punish Trudeau.

    This was exactly in the same veins as all the British politicians - Theresa May, the forgettable woman who lost the bet to the head of lettuce, Rishi Sunak and now Keir Starmer. Nobody really voted FOR any of these politicians, but rather did so begrudgingly because they liked the other option even less. Many would characterize American politics the exact same way. I would even go so far as to say very few people were die hard Trump or Harris fans, they just found their particular choice a bit less unpalatable than the other.

    Enter Mark Carney, the new Liberal Prime Minister. Despite being a somewhat disgraced world banker of sorts, the Canadian media has pumped him up to be the second coming of Jesus. They’re really worked hard and spent a lot of money trying to pump him up in the eyes of Canadians. And according to official polls (which somehow are oddly much different than internal polls), people are buying it!

    There was even a clear election campaign propaganda article the other day crediting Carney with orchestrating a buying and selling of US bonds that caused Trump to pause the tariffs. What it failed to mention, and made it so obviously clear that it is an election article, is that Carney had been PM for less than a month and still does not even hold a seat in the Canadian parliament… and yet he somehow significantly increased our bond yield within 3 weeks, and organized half of the world to do the same, then sold them off en mass. A poster above alluded to this same story.

    Anyways… the election is right around the corner. If the polls are right The Liberals will have pulled one out of a hat. But I think it is far less to do with Trump and more the lack of options.

    Like you guys had the choice between Sunak and Starmer, while the Americans had the choice between Trump and Harris.
    The sort of *all politicians are the same* nonsense I would expect from a Putin apologist.

    Also claiming that chart I linked to is to do with everything except Trump wanting to annex Canada suggests a denial of reality commensurate with many of your other posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaxtonLad View Post
    He's telling the American (re)public what they want to hear, it's their favourite toy and you can't take it off them.
    Hi is also telling the vast majority of American citizens that overwhelming voted for him that he is doing exactly what they voted him in to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
    The sort of *all politicians are the same* nonsense I would expect from a Putin apologist.

    Also claiming that chart I linked to is to do with everything except Trump wanting to annex Canada suggests a denial of reality commensurate with many of your other posts.
    Your chart clearly shows that the flip between the Conservatives and Liberals occurred exactly when Carney was elected at the Liberal Party leadership convention and sworn in as Prime Minister 5 days later, rather than almost 2 months before when Trump was sworn in, or 4 months prior when he was elected. Had Trudeau stayed on as Liberal leader this flip would never have happened. As I explained before, Trudeaus unpopularity dragged the Liberals deep into the mud. Their miraculous resurgence has nothing to do Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dug Out View Post
    Hi is also telling the vast majority of American citizens that overwhelming voted for him that he is doing exactly what they voted him in to do.
    Vast majority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drillerpie View Post
    Vast majority?
    49.8% on 64.1% turn out

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    Predictions in this thread appear to have been somewhat incorrect; The nominally left-wing Labor government in Australia has just been re-elected in an absolute landslide.

    The right wing leader lost his seat.

    Personally I would have preferred a minority government, I think these guys have absolutely not earned this through positive change and I really hope they get a move on actually solving the problems this term. Will be a pleasant surprise if they do.

    There is absolutely no question that some part of the left wing victory here was a "trump effect", hard to say how much though.

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    At the weekend Joe Biden was officially diagnosed with what could be construed as terminal prostate cancer. A horrible diagnosis to have and I'm sure we all hope he gets the best care and treatment to try and prolong or defeat the awful illness.

    On a non-personal level though, it does open up how many lies did the Democratic Party hierarchy tell to the US public (and indeed the world). We're not talking about Joe Bloggs here, we are talking about President Joe Biden.

    The rats are already leaving the sinking ship, with Democrat-journalist Jake Tapper trying his best to eek a few more dollars out of Joe Biden's suffering, by releasing his book, Original Sin, remarking about how those in the Party were aware of Joe's mental decline BEFORE he stood for election in 2020. However, Tapper was adamant on CNN right up until Trump won, that Biden's cognitive function was fine. Another hypocrite.

    There's a pattern emerging in the world, where when the left is found out to be telling lies or that they have done something wrong, to call it a right-wing conspiracy theory. Remember Trump being elected through Russian money? Remember Hunter Biden's fake Russian laptop? Remember the British anti-asylum riots being those of the far-right. For those where I live, there is still the video of Jacinda Ardern 'speaking' to the New Zealand public, telling them to only believe what she and her government told them. She also tried to get through a 'hate speech' act where the government decided what was hate speech - a la Joseph Goebbels.

    The left control so much of the media and hence control the narrative. Trump added to the English language the expression 'fake news'. You don't see it, until you see it, then you start to question everything that you are fed through the media.

    More Democrat lies will emerge as time moves on. Lets hope next time they get into power, that the media offers up more scrutiny to prevent this from happening again.

    Jill Biden is starting to look like a real life Lady Macbeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lullapie View Post
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    Trump added to the English language the expression 'fake news'. You don't see it, until you see it, then you start to question everything that you are fed through the media.
    Yes that's Trump's comms strategy in a nutshell. He is perhaps the greatest root cause of the proliferation of conspiracy theories and culture-war gaslighting in recent times.

    The final part above is the problem. You start to question both the dubious sources and the trustworthy ones until you become so distrustful that you don't know what to believe any more...so you believe nothing but him and his people's BS. He depends on that.
    Last edited by SwalePie; 21-05-2025 at 01:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwalePie View Post
    Yes that's Trump's comms strategy in a nutshell. He is perhaps the greatest root cause of the proliferation of conspiracy theories and culture-war gaslighting in recent times.

    The final part above is the problem. You start to question both the dubious sources and the trustworthy ones until you become so distrustful that you don't know what to believe any more...so you believe nothing but him and his people's BS. He depends on that.
    While I will enthusiastically grant that Donald Trump is far from a pedlar of the truth and that he has a tendency to make sh?*t up at a whim, I beg to know who the hell you
    find trustworthy?

    Take this nifty little conglomeration of clips as an example. Almost nobody at all in the political sphere, left or right, and the media, left or right, seemed to question the ridiculously absurd chorus of anchors and expert talking heads claiming that Russia blew up the Nordstream pipeline. Only one guest who appeared in the MAM, professor Jeffrey Sachs, said that it was clearly the United States whoodunnit, but he was immediately shut down. Anyone else who also might have claimed it was not Russia was let nowhere near the airwaves.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NSZyKY...VsaW5lIGNsaXBz

    So, how can we trust anything they say when they are either such unabashed liars who will tell the public whatever the CIA wants them to say, or they are so laughably stupid that they cannot recognize how dumb their claims are?

    Who in the MSM, pray tell, is trustworthy?

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