O/T The Price Of Coal 1977 BBC Drama

[KerrAvon]

Well I'll start with Bevan the brains behind the NHS and the envy of the world. A keen Trade Unionist in his time. No, but hang on, we can't count that because Kerr wont use it and his pals are determined to pull it apart anyway...

Ok. Bevan. Are you talking about the whole man or are you going to be doing an airbrush job on the inconvenient bits? The first bit to go would have to be his support for Oswald Mosely's 'Mosely Memorandum'. Curiously the use of protectionist tarrifs proposed in the memorandum would strike a chord with Trump supporters today. The next bit to be brushed out would have to be his strong opposition to the rearmament program put in place by Chamberlain in response to the growing threat from Hitler. One can only assume that Bevan saw no risk there.

As for the NHS and Welfare State, Bevan only worked on that as a politician, not a union man, so I don't really see it's relevance. It's like a Tory listing Margaret Thatcher as a great chemist or barrister.

Perhaps most importantly, can Bevan said to be the brains behind the NHS given that it was first proposed by the Tory MP, Henry Willink in 1944 with the publication of the White Paper entitled 'A National Health Service'? In other words, Bevan didn't even come up with the name...

Who have you got as number two?

[rolymiller]

See there's no cases to work on again kerr. You really do have a cushy number or do you have a number at all?. Our lass grumbles about me being on here all the time but at least i have an excuse with being retired. its difficult to see how you can spend so much time on here but yet hold down such a supposedly stressful/ time consuming job. Exile had this about right.I think you have been conning us all along with your so called profession and fair play to you because you have had us fooled. You are no more a lawyer than I am the prime minister. A kempo style tactic hiding behind a supposedly high powered job is a good way to give your views respectability.

The"I am not a tory" stuff is also nonsense. Not once do you criticise Tory policies instead just laying into Labour policies. it just doesn't add up at all. You are probably not even a millers fan either because you rarely comment on them either.

Whenever anybody asks any searching questions of you, you come out with the "I am not going to tell you because that is my right". Its a sort of shield, not exposing your underbelly because you know that would leave you open to attack. It's a clever trick but people on here are not fooled. You really are not worth debating with and ignoring what you put on here would be a better option for MMadsters like we do with IBS. Hmm IBS? Now there's a thought...

[KerrAvon]

Ok. I'm going for Dave Spart as number two. Kept me laughing for years.

[great_fire]

NHS "the envy of the world"

Really?

Worst health system in western europe in actuality.

[rolymiller]

It probably is now because its been wrecked.

[animallittle3]

NHS "the envy of the world"

Really?

Worst health system in western europe in actuality.

It's not the envy of the world fire but you are very disrespectful to call it the worst health system in western europe .

Disrespectful to the staff who perform bloody miracles to treat you working within the current climate .

You might want to research how much health care costs you in the US and what you get for your buck , you'll need to find 5k out of your income every year to have any kind of decent treatment .

In fact there's nothing to stop you funding your own healthcare in this country if you believe the service is so poor , you have that choice .

Low tax economies come with strings attached fire .

[great_fire]

It's not the envy of the world fire but you are very disrespectful to call it the worst health system in western europe .

Disrespectful to the staff who perform bloody miracles to treat you working within the current climate .

You might want to research how much health care costs you in the US and what you get for your buck , you'll need to find 5k out of your income every year to have any kind of decent treatment .

In fact there's nothing to stop you funding your own healthcare in this country if you believe the service is so poor , you have that choice .

Low tax economies come with strings attached fire .

It is the worst along with Ireland.

Cancer outcomes are the same as the Czech Republic and Slovenia.

Which means thousands of people are dying of cancer every year who shouldn't be.

It should have been replaced by a Bismarck system ages ago.

[Exiletyke]

It is the worst along with Ireland.

Cancer outcomes are the same as the Czech Republic and Slovenia.

Which means thousands of people are dying of cancer every year who shouldn't be.

It should have been replaced by a Bismarck system ages ago.

Any stats on how many are treated?

9 months ago I underwent surgery on my spine & 2 months ago treatment for a broken foot in a different hospital
The service I received was top notch
When you see firsthand the sheer volume & scale of what the NHS provides we should be very proud
Have you had any recent first hand experience gf?

[great_fire]

Have you had any recent first hand experience gf?

My most recent experience was a 4 hour wait in A&E on a Friday night which I wouldn't like to repeat any time soon.

Bosch could have painted it.

[Exiletyke]

My most recent experience was a 4 hour wait in A&E on a Friday night which I wouldn't like to repeat any time soon.

Bosch could have painted it.

Seems Kerr had similar experience in France