The Corona Virus

[sinkov]

due to confirmed COVID-19infection

So that’s a Covid death then!

Not sure where you are going here.

'Confirmed Covid infection', which means no more than tested positive for Covid, which due to the possibilty it was a false positive, is no guarantee that the person actually had Covid at all.

"A “case” is a positive PCR test. No symptoms are involved. A “COVID-19 admission” to a hospital is a person testing positive by PCR before, on entry or at any time during a hospital stay, no matter the reason for the admission or the symptoms the patient is presenting. A “COVID-19 death” is any death within 28 days of a positive PCR test. If there is any doubt about the reliability of the PCR test, all of this falls away at a single stroke.

I have to tell you that there is more than common-or-garden doubt about the PCR mass testing that purports to identify the virus. We have very strong evidence that the PCR mass testing as currently conducted is completely worthless."

[Norder]

'Confirmed Covid infection', which means no more than tested positive for Covid, which due to the possibilty it was a false positive, is no guarantee that the person actually had Covid at all.

"A “case” is a positive PCR test. No symptoms are involved. A “COVID-19 admission” to a hospital is a person testing positive by PCR before, on entry or at any time during a hospital stay, no matter the reason for the admission or the symptoms the patient is presenting. A “COVID-19 death” is any death within 28 days of a positive PCR test. If there is any doubt about the reliability of the PCR test, all of this falls away at a single stroke.

I have to tell you that there is more than common-or-garden doubt about the PCR mass testing that purports to identify the virus. We have very strong evidence that the PCR mass testing as currently conducted is completely worthless."

no need for a test even - Sinkov

COVID-19: death certification and cremation

In those cases where the doctor is confident on medical grounds that a particular cause of death is likely then that should be entered on the MCCD. COVID-19 is an acceptable direct or underlying cause of death for the purposes of completing the MCCD, even without the results of a positive test, and it is important that likely COVID-19 deaths are reported as such via the registrar.
The rules surrounding the completion of the MCCD have changed following the Coronavirus Act 2020. In order for a doctor to complete a MCCD without referral to the coroner any doctor must have seen (including via video link) the patient in the 28 days before death, or alternatively in person after death. If these conditions are met, then a doctor may complete a MCCD which is sent to the registrar who will record the death and complete the paperwork to allow burial or cremation.

Deaths in the community during COVID-19

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-su...-and-cremation

Certification of Death

https://www.bma.org.uk/media/2843/bm...-july-2020.pdf

[oldcolner]

no need for a test even - Sinkov

COVID-19: death certification and cremation

In those cases where the doctor is confident on medical grounds that a particular cause of death is likely then that should be entered on the MCCD. COVID-19 is an acceptable direct or underlying cause of death for the purposes of completing the MCCD, even without the results of a positive test, and it is important that likely COVID-19 deaths are reported as such via the registrar.
The rules surrounding the completion of the MCCD have changed following the Coronavirus Act 2020. In order for a doctor to complete a MCCD without referral to the coroner any doctor must have seen (including via video link) the patient in the 28 days before death, or alternatively in person after death. If these conditions are met, then a doctor may complete a MCCD which is sent to the registrar who will record the death and complete the paperwork to allow burial or cremation.

Deaths in the community during COVID-19

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-su...-and-cremation

Certification of Death

https://www.bma.org.uk/media/2843/bm...-july-2020.pdf

Interesting articles which make sense to me. What do they say thar supports your theory.
This seems to say it in a nutshell to me.

The BMA promotes the following core principles in these matters:
– That this subject matter is of significant distress to the bereaved. All participants in the system must be conscious of this and conduct themselves in a manner that does not add to the emotional suffering of families.
– All those involved respect the dignity, religious and cultural needs of the deceased and family members.
– The timely and efficient verification of death is highly important in the current crisis and those responsible should act accordingly. We encourage workers in the wider health and care system to work collaboratively with doctors to achieve this.
– The procedures for certification can provide a valuable safeguard against wrongdoing and everyone involved in this process should raise any concerns they have as a matter of urgency.

[oldcolner]

'Confirmed Covid infection', which means no more than tested positive for Covid, which due to the possibilty it was a false positive, is no guarantee that the person actually had Covid at all.

"A “case” is a positive PCR test. No symptoms are involved. A “COVID-19 admission” to a hospital is a person testing positive by PCR before, on entry or at any time during a hospital stay, no matter the reason for the admission or the symptoms the patient is presenting. A “COVID-19 death” is any death within 28 days of a positive PCR test. If there is any doubt about the reliability of the PCR test, all of this falls away at a single stroke.

I have to tell you that there is more than common-or-garden doubt about the PCR mass testing that purports to identify the virus. We have very strong evidence that the PCR mass testing as currently conducted is completely worthless."

Round in circles we go.
In counter balance there will be false negatives and those Covid deaths won’t count, nor will those over 28 days after a positive test.

Most Governments look at ways of reducing deaths stats from Covid. You seeem to believe ours is on a mission to increase them and lock down the economy to increase our debts.and have persuades all doctors and coroners to join them in this subterfuge. Sorry but that is just ridiculous.

For 50% of deaths the coroner will be the ultimate judge of whether a Covid death has occurred.

[sinkov]

Round in circles we go.
In counter balance there will be false negatives and those Covid deaths won’t count, nor will those over 28 days after a positive test.
Most Governments look at ways of reducing deaths stats from Covid. You seeem to believe ours is on a mission to increase them and lock down the economy to increase our debts.and have persuades all doctors and coroners to join them in this subterfuge. Sorry but that is just ridiculous.

What I do believe OC is that the death figures are a nonsense. If you look back at post 1297 you'll see I concede the difficulty of compiling accurate figures, and what I point out is that the figures are not accurate, they are fantasy figures, and no one will admit they have not got the faintest idea how many deaths are being caused by Covid.

For a start the government refuses to take into account the number of false positive tests, because if they did, they know their figures would rapidly become a laughing stock. The government doesn't know the % of false positives, they admitted this in response to a question in the Commons a few weeks ago. I would imagine they could find out if they wanted, but they probably don't want to know. This is from The Lancet September 20th,

"The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%. This rate could translate into a significant proportion of false-positive results daily due to the current low prevalence of the virus in the UK population, adversely affecting the positive predictive value of the test. Considering that the UK National Health Service employs 1·1 million health-care workers, many of whom have been exposed to COVID-19 at the peak of the first wave, the potential disruption to health and social services due to false positives could be considerable."

So let's have a look, for an example, at the figures for England a month ago, 12th November,

Tests 244,963
Cases 21,918

Take the lowest 0.8% estimate and you have 2,000 false positives out of the 22,000 cases. Take the highest 4.0% estimate and you have just under 9,800 false positives. So of the 22,000 cases reported that day, somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 were false positives, but no one actually knows just how many. So let's take the middle ground and say 6.000 false positives, that's just in one day, in England. 6,000 people given the false information that they have Covid when they don't. That should put the fear of death into them, it also means they'll have to isolate with the knock on effects for their jobs, their children, their wives/husbands, their friends, and if not their sanity, their peace of mind at least will be shot. And for what, for nothing, it was a false positive. 6,000 people, possibly more, in just one day, in England alone.

That's why I find these fictitious death figures problematic OC, nothing to do with the government trying to inflate the total, if only that's all it was about.

[1959_60]

What I do believe OC is that the death figures are a nonsense. If you look back at post 1297 you'll see I concede the difficulty of compiling accurate figures, and what I point out is that the figures are not accurate, they are fantasy figures, and no one will admit they have not got the faintest idea how many deaths are being caused by Covid.

For a start the government refuses to take into account the number of false positive tests, because if they did, they know their figures would rapidly become a laughing stock. The government doesn't know the % of false positives, they admitted this in response to a question in the Commons a few weeks ago. I would imagine they could find out if they wanted, but they probably don't want to know. This is from The Lancet September 20th,

"The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%. This rate could translate into a significant proportion of false-positive results daily due to the current low prevalence of the virus in the UK population, adversely affecting the positive predictive value of the test. Considering that the UK National Health Service employs 1·1 million health-care workers, many of whom have been exposed to COVID-19 at the peak of the first wave, the potential disruption to health and social services due to false positives could be considerable."

So let's have a look, for an example, at the figures for England a month ago, 12th November,

Tests 244,963
Cases 21,918

Take the lowest 0.8% estimate and you have 2,000 false positives out of the 22,000 cases. Take the highest 4.0% estimate and you have just under 9,800 false positives. So of the 22,000 cases reported that day, somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 were false positives, but no one actually knows just how many. So let's take the middle ground and say 6.000 false positives, that's just in one day, in England. 6,000 people given the false information that they have Covid when they don't. That should put the fear of death into them, it also means they'll have to isolate with the knock on effects for their jobs, their children, their wives/husbands, their friends, and if not their sanity, their peace of mind at least will be shot. And for what, for nothing, it was a false positive. 6,000 people, possibly more, in just one day, in England alone.

That's why I find these fictitious death figures problematic OC, nothing to do with the government trying to inflate the total, if only that's all it was about.

I'm just glad that you became a fireman and didn't pursue a career in the health care sector.

[Norder]

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due to confirmed COVID-19infection

So that’s a Covid death then!

Not sure where you are going here.

[oldcolner]

US approves the Pfizer vaccine for emergency use.
The US decision also followed approval from Canada's regulator, which passed the vaccine on Wednesday for use in people over 16 years old. Bahrain and Saudi Arabia have also approved the vaccine and on Friday Mexico's health regulator also granted emergency authorisation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...emergency-use/

The EU regulator had all their data hacked and will not discuss approval till the end of the month.
They of course copied all our MRHA policies procedures and a lot of their staff. They’re just more bureaucratic.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Bell's palsy anyone..?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...lls-palsy.html

[oldcolner]

Not nice and those numbers are a worry, so it will be monitored now.
though later on it says.
“it's possible that COVID-19 itself could be a risk factor for Bell's palsy.
Facial palsy was reported in three Brazilian COVID-19 patients, at least one person in China, a pregnant woman in Portugal, and in a number of Indian patients.
A friend of mine got it and eventually recovered, took a while though.