League two clubs vote to end season

[legs77]

Yeah they would have nerves that would be normal.

You can reel off cliches all you like a quick look at the table is all that matters and i'd swap positions with them.

Pitty this tactucal genius couldnt outwit Sol Campbell a year ago !

[MAD_MAGPIE]

Why are these clubs so desperate to have promotion decided on paper? Because they're s*** scared of Notts, that's why. They knew full well we'd overtake them.

If they aren't up for playing a game of football to decide it, move out of the way and let the big boys through, thank you very much.

First it was the Barrow manager Ian Evatt and now the Harrogate manager Simon Weaver thinking that their clubs deserve to get promoted to League Two when their teams have won nothing. What is it with these managers?

The playoffs may or may not happen but if they didn’t then 2nd place should not be an automatic promotion right of passage. You can’t change the goalposts (pardon the pun) of a competition that everyone entered on the basis that 2nd-7th were playoff places that is 80% completed as well.

I’m confident our manager and owners are quietly behind the scenes putting our clubs case to the National League with calm and rationale whilst using our strength and muscle as the biggest club in the National League. That is where it matters most, so in my opinion Neal Ardley does not need to say what he and our club wants the outcome to be to the press like those two clubs managers have done.

[Notts78]

Could all be academic what Barrow and Harrogate want.
It seems as though the EFL has told League one clubs it’s a straight vote betwee PPG with promotion and relegation or finishing the season. It seems bonkers that League 1 has this choice yet League 2 were basically in favour of PPG but no relegation. I hope the FA step up and see through promotions and relegations including play offs.
The National League playoffs would take a week or so to complete. 4th v 7th and 5th v 6th on the Saturday. Winners play 2nd/3rd on the Tuesday and Wednesday with a final played on the Saturday/Sunday.
We are all waiting for the Premiership to decide what they are doing so we can have a domino effect down the leagues.

[Chinawhite1000]

The playoffs may or may not happen but if they didn’t then 2nd place should not be an automatic promotion right of passage. You can’t change the goalposts (pardon the pun) of a competition that everyone entered on the basis that 2nd-7th were playoff places that is 80% completed as well.

just so you and everyone else knows here are a few of the NL and EFL rules and regulations;-

NL regulation 12.2;-

12.2 At the end of the Playing Season of each competition a table will be compiled showing the playing record of each Club in each division of the Competition. The playing record of each Club must include any points deduction made by the Competition or by the FA and in any situation where points per game are calculated the calculation will be made after taking into account the deduction of any such points.
The position of each Club in the table so compiled shall be determined in order with the Club being awarded the highest number of points being first and the Club being awarded the second highest number of points being placed second and so on.

NL regulation 12.3;-

12.3 Promotion, relegation and lateral movement of Clubs shall be in accordance with the principles established by the Leagues Committee of The FA.

EFL regulation 10.1.3

10.1.3 Promotion and Relegation between League Two and The National League

(a) At the end of each Season the Champion club of The National League and The National League Runner Up (be that determined on the basis of League position alone or by way of play off competition) shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League.

So PPG can be used AND the 2nd place team can be promoted without having the play offs.... and without "moving the goalposts"

[magpie_mania]

First it was the Barrow manager Ian Evatt and now the Harrogate manager Simon Weaver thinking that their clubs deserve to get promoted to League Two when their teams have won nothing. What is it with these managers?

The playoffs may or may not happen but if they didn’t then 2nd place should not be an automatic promotion right of passage. You can’t change the goalposts (pardon the pun) of a competition that everyone entered on the basis that 2nd-7th were playoff places that is 80% completed as well.

I’m confident our manager and owners are quietly behind the scenes putting our clubs case to the National League with calm and rationale whilst using our strength and muscle as the biggest club in the National League. That is where it matters most, so in my opinion Neal Ardley does not need to say what he and our club wants the outcome to be to the press like those two clubs managers have done.

What is our case? To play the play-offs I agree we have a case, but this 'move over and let the big boys through' is just ridiculous.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

What is our case? To play the play-offs I agree we have a case, but this 'move over and let the big boys through' is just ridiculous.

To be clear for me our case is for the play-off games to be played at a suitable and appropriate time that it is safe to do so instead of cancelling the those games and allowing second placed Harrogate as the table stands to be promoted automatically.

I don't care if we have to wait until August, November or January to play these games. The new season can't start until its safe to do so either. The playoffs can take place two weeks before the new season begins. It just needs the will of affected clubs and their owners, staff and managers to put a case forward for it. Let's not forget the revenue and TV coverage money as well by having playoffs.

It's bad enough the remaining fixtures have not followed this methodology and have been cancelled. Even PPG has not been applied to the remaining games whether that would have worked in our favour or not it's still no substitute for playing the game on grass. But it would have been something rather than nothing.

To then cancel the playoffs would in sporting terms only be an incredibly disappointing and frustrating end to what was becoming a season in which things had come together for us and we had momentum at exactly the time we needed it.

If the worst came to the worst and the playoffs were cancelled and Harrogate were promoted as runners up, I hope that the quiet anger, annoyance and disappointment could be channeled by the club, it's players, staff and fans in a positive way in that it gives us that bite and fire to rip this league apart next season and go up as deserved champions.

[crazyfists]

As much as it galls me as I believe we would have won the league if it was played out as normal, we were third when it finished. If they let two down and we're not having the playoffs then it should be Barrow and Harrogate going up. I agree August/September we were well behind the curve but there were times in October/November when we should have won games we didn't win, no point crying about it now.

[Chinawhite1000]

As much as it galls me as I believe we would have won the league if it was played out as normal, we were third when it finished. If they let two down and we're not having the playoffs then it should be Barrow and Harrogate going up. I agree August/September we were well behind the curve but there were times in October/November when we should have won games we didn't win, no point crying about it now.

Whilst i agree with what you are saying i think if things stretch out towards next year there is every chance all 3 of Barrow, Harrogate and Notts will be in the EFL due to the dodgy financial state of some EFL teams.
Interestingly although Notts had a slow start to the season they were above Barrow after the 1st 9 games;-
15th Notts PL 9 Points 10 GD +2
21st Barrow PL 9 Points 7 GD -5

[crazyfists]

Sorry one down due to Bury. If you think Notts should be allowed to complete the playoffs which is a reasonable ask then by that logic shouldn't the bottom clubs in league 2 be able to complete their fixtures as they might not have gone down in the end?

I think just let Barrow up and we'll have to go again next season in this league. It is what it is.

[Chinawhite1000]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...5-d037e877a40e

if you skip forward to about 28 minutes there's an interview with the Crewe manager David Artell who says that had L2 had continues without fans about 6 clubs would have gone to the wall