THE Ardley In/Out Thread [Multiple threads merged]

[laddo]

Great response. You can't get away from the fact that the squad budget alone should have us right up there this season and gives us a big advantage over most clubs in the league.

But I'm really glad you said the following

"Harrogate though have had their manager a long time and he's built them up well so were ahead of us in alot of ways."

That's the one people seem to miss.

We tried to Big Budget + New Manager every single season approach and overall the results for the club have been awful. No doubt when relegated from L1 to L2 all those seasons ago , there would have been many a comment on here talking about how we are bigger club than most in the new division and have a bigger budget etc. This attitude/belief maybe connected to the need for a new manager every season as the results don't match the budget
The one thing we haven't done is let too many managers have time to build up a squad, style, football philosophy.

Be it the current manager who someone else, I wonder if out owners will start to give managers a proper chance. So far it looks like they will ,and it's very refreshing.

[ForeignLegion]

After last season's momentum, we should be hitting the ground running; it seems the opposite at present. I've been against all the anti Ardley stuff, but if there is a similarly shambolic performance next week, against a club that itself is in dire straits, the the pendulum will be swinging the other way.

[Rez1862]

Great response. You can't get away from the fact that the squad budget alone should have us right up there this season and gives us a big advantage over most clubs in the league.

But I'm really glad you said the following

"Harrogate though have had their manager a long time and he's built them up well so were ahead of us in alot of ways."

That's the one people seem to miss.

We tried to Big Budget + New Manager every single season approach and overall the results for the club have been awful. No doubt when relegated from L1 to L2 all those seasons ago , there would have been many a comment on here talking about how we are bigger club than most in the new division and have a bigger budget etc. This attitude/belief maybe connected to the need for a new manager every season as the results don't match the budget
The one thing we haven't done is let too many managers have time to build up a squad, style, football philosophy.

Be it the current manager who someone else, I wonder if out owners will start to give managers a proper chance. So far it looks like they will ,and it's very refreshing.

Laddo, what is your obsession with sticking with a manager when it so painfully obviously isn't working? Ardley has been given a huge budget to bring in his own players - players who, at this level, should be looking to attack the opposition and make a real statement (in my opinion). What we are seeing is negative, overly cautious tactics from a man who clearly doesn't know how to get the best from his players.

[nw6pie]

I know it may not necessarily translate into league form, but I see Stockport won all six of their pre-season games. These things do breed confidence and give you momentum.

[laddo]

My "obsession" is because we rarely stick with any manager.... ever! We have one of the worst turnover of managers of any club in the country. I'm sure I've mentioned this on here before once or twice

If the current manager fails this season, get rid. He will then have had two full seasons to get us promoted. No excuses this time around. That's fair isn't it two seasons? Two attempts for promotion?

[LaxtonLad]

My "obsession" is because we rarely stick with any manager.... ever! We have one of the worst turnover of managers of any club in the country. I'm sure I've mentioned this on here before once or twice

If the current manager fails this season, get rid. He will then have had two full seasons to get us promoted. No excuses this time around. That's fair isn't it two seasons? Two attempts for promotion?

Laddo, it isn't Notts County The Club who hire and fire managers, it's whoever owns the club. Just because previous owners were trigger happy it doesn't mean Notts have to keep a no-hoper for historical reasons or to improve our image.

The particular owners we have now are still sticking with Ardley in spite of his record with us and his previous club and I don't think it's because they feel sorry for him, I do wonder why though.

We nearly scraped promotion last season but for most of that season we were looking over our shoulders as we were a shambles, there wasn't a team afraid to play us. We started to look good too late, maybe we could have caught Barrow, maybe others could have caught us.

Perhaps the influx of new players will make us champions, maybe, but Ardley's record makes me think not. Nice chap but - out!

[Rez1862]

He was given more than half a season to save us from relegation and failed.

He had a whole season to get us promoted and failed. The parachute payments stop at the end of this season - can we really afford to give him this season too?

[laddo]

Yes. Plus that's not our decision that's the owners. They are the numbers men after all.

We were heading for relegation all that season from start to end. It was a complete disaster from the first game to the last. Blame Hardy.

Last season no fan on here expected us to win the league last season. You could probably count on 2 fingers how many expected us to finish top. No surprise after the way the previous season ended, the shambles the club was left in when new owners took over, and the lack of a preseason.

We finished 3rd and lost a play off final. Close but no cigar.

This season, no excuse for the manager as I've stated numerous times.

I assume Rez you wanted Ardley sacked after the Swindon town defeat. A new manager would have come in last season not got us promoted and no doubt you would want him gone as a result. More threads wanting that manager sacked, more threads about who we want in next as manager. We've all seen it a dozen plus times in the past two decades. It's dull, it's duller than a Gudjon Thordarson inspired Notts Perfomance.

No thank you.

BTW, who do you want as the next Notts manager?

[Davy500]

Yes. Plus that's not our decision that's the owners. They are the numbers men after all.

We were heading for relegation all that season from start to end. It was a complete disaster from the first game to the last. Blame Hardy.

Last season no fan on here expected us to win the league last season. You could probably count on 2 fingers how many expected us to finish top. No surprise after the way the previous season ended, the shambles the club was left in when new owners took over, and the lack of a preseason.

We finished 3rd and lost a play off final. Close but no cigar.

This season, no excuse for the manager as I've stated numerous times.

I assume Rez you wanted Ardley sacked after the Swindon town defeat. A new manager would have come in last season not got us promoted and no doubt you would want him gone as a result. More threads wanting that manager sacked, more threads about who we want in next as manager. We've all seen it a dozen plus times in the past two decades. It's dull, it's duller than a Gudjon Thordarson inspired Notts Perfomance.

No thank you.

BTW, who do you want as the next Notts manager?

As i said before lado, i wanted Ardley sacked In Janusry 2019, after he managed to get us 8 points from safety between then and november when he arrived, the only reason he was not is because Hardy had ran out of cash . If not then certainly when the new owners came in, they should of brought there own man in.
The best time for a club to return is in the year or the second year after relegation, otherwise it is usually much longer, plus the 2 years of parachute payments, Ardley will probably blow Notts chance of a quick return .
At this moment in time, unless a new manager had relegated us from the National league, we would be no worse with a new manager than sticking with Ardley , another manager could well have promoted us last year
sacking mangers that had a good , or even average track record ,has lead to our demise, but sticking with the worse one, has lead to our destruction and could see us cemented in the national league for many years
And as far has a GudJon Thordason performance, at least he kept us in league 2, which is more than Ardley did

[upthemaggies]

Thinking about it - When could the owners have sacked Ardley? He's always just done enough and put a few results on the board whenever the heat has been turned up on social media. They didn't have time to replace him at the start of last season and even though narrowly missing out on promotion often results in a terrible hangover and, in our case at least, relegation battles the following term, it never looks good sacking a manager who's just got you to a play-off final.

We may have got carried away with this idea that they aren't the sacking type. Compared to Trew and Hardy, any chairman is going to look as though they have the patience of a Zen Buddhist.