O/T:- Trump

[OldBanksy]

Well given I own 2 although not on the Trump scale obviously Yeah I think I can say that I have some knowledge on the subject. I can also say that I would never sell any of my subcontractors out and send them bust as well whilst knowing I could pay them out of personal funds comfortably and then claim to represent them in an election. If you want to know how many of his ventures went bust perhaps look into his nefarious Casino building activities or the famed Trump University. A couple that come to mind with zero research. Perhaps he should've grabbed 'em by the ***** to make them succeed?

I ask again. How many businesses did he have in total and how many went bust?

How many business owners negate their limited liability status and bail out creditors? Many even know they're going bust but rob Peter to pay Paul in desperate attempt to survive.

[queenslandpie]

I ask again. How many businesses did he have in total and how many went bust?

How many business owners negate their limited liability status and bail out creditors? Many even know they're going bust but rob Peter to pay Paul in desperate attempt to survive.

How many went bust and them claimed to represent them in a democratic process? I can only think of one. I mean if you want a serial ***ist, misogynist, rapist, who pays off **** stars to keep them quiet tells his mates that he wants to grab by the kitty cat, screws his own voters over then go for it but I'll pass. There is an abundance of non Foxtel programs out there detailing how he made his money. Because of his dad is the main answer.

[OldBanksy]

How many went bust and them claimed to represent them in a democratic process? I can only think of one. I mean if you want a serial ***ist, misogynist, rapist, who pays off **** stars to keep them quiet tells his mates that he wants to grab by the kitty cat, screws his own voters over then go for it but I'll pass. There is an abundance of non Foxtel programs out there detailing how he made his money. Because of his dad is the main answer.

You can't answer my question. And millions voted for him.

Where do you get your facts from about him being a rapist? How many friends of yours would've boasted about grabbing ***** in the last century. Times were different then. Have you always been an angel? Have all your friends? Has everyone you've ever voted for?

[queenslandpie]

You can't answer my question. And millions voted for him.

Where do you get your facts from about him being a rapist? How many friends of yours would've boasted about grabbing ***** in the last century. Times were different then. Have you always been an angel? Have all your friends? Has everyone you've ever voted for?

I'm not sure how providing explicit examples doesn't answer your question. Have I always been an angel? Of course not. Am I running for the presidency of the highest office in the world. No. Has everyone I ever voted for always been an angel? Of course not. Nobody is going to 'win' this argument. I've provided explicit examples as per your request. if you choose not to consider those that's your choice. We all have one of those that's the beauty of the democratic world we live in!

[OldBanksy]

Thanks for the link. So much has gone on since I had completely forgotten about claims of Russian interference in the 2016 election (and the Brexit referendum) but the difference is there’s lots of evidence to support those while there’s little or no evidence of fraud in 2020. In fact it’s probably fair to say the former claims were used to try to give legitimacy to the latter claims.

Russian interference! Give over.

[Jampie]

Trump was found to have committed ***ual assault in a court of law by a jury. It was a civil case so the requirement was not "beyond a reasonable doubt", so I guess you could have a reasonable doubt that he's a rapist. Personally I don't feel the need to decide either way, but there does seem to be a plenty of evidence he doesn't always act with consent.

Which is my problem with his "grab them by the..." comment. No consent was implied and in fact he implied none was given "they let you do it". That isn't consent. If any of my friends had boasted like that I would absolutely ask them to clarify themselves immediately.

Trump has been found guilty of criminal fraud in a criminal trial. The supreme court's completely insane immunity ruling is likely to disrupt his sentencing however.

There is extremely credible evidence that he stole and refused to return highly classified documents in a criminal manner. However, that trial has also been delayed, this time by a judge he appointed refusing to recuse herself and ultimately dismissing the case with dubious reasoning that is extremely likely to be overturned on appeal. Unfortunately there's a solid chance he will be President again before he's brought to trial for this, and he'll probably pardon himself for a bunch of crimes.

And then there are his various attempts to illegally (and legally) disrupt the 2020 election. Charges have been filed for these but again that's looking like it'll be delayed beyond the election.

Basically he's either going to die as president or in prison, at this point.

Contrasting with Hilary Clinton: Trump campaigned, literally, on locking her up. In four years his DOJ never filed charges. Conclusion: not enough evidence of any crime to charge her. Does this mean she is a good person? No. It just means she either didn't commit any crimes, or wasn't as stupid as Trump when she did. Trump has left ample evidence of wrongdoing all over the place, including on his public Twit account.

Joe Biden: His son seems to have been a drug addict and at least part time small-scale criminal and tax avoider. Zero evidence Joe was involved in any of this. If he was, again why did Trump's DOJ fail to charge him in four years?

Of course you could argue Trump was utterly incompetent in office and his DOJ could well have screwed up. Sure. That's possible. Plausible even. But that isn't evidence of Clinton or Biden wrongdoing, is it?

[MarcusCole]

Trump was found to have committed ***ual assault in a court of law by a jury. It was a civil case so the requirement was not "beyond a reasonable doubt", so I guess you could have a reasonable doubt that he's a rapist. Personally I don't feel the need to decide either way, but there does seem to be a plenty of evidence he doesn't always act with consent.

Which is my problem with his "grab them by the..." comment. No consent was implied and in fact he implied none was given "they let you do it". That isn't consent. If any of my friends had boasted like that I would absolutely ask them to clarify themselves immediately.

Trump has been found guilty of criminal fraud in a criminal trial. The supreme court's completely insane immunity ruling is likely to disrupt his sentencing however.

There is extremely credible evidence that he stole and refused to return highly classified documents in a criminal manner. However, that trial has also been delayed, this time by a judge he appointed refusing to recuse herself and ultimately dismissing the case with dubious reasoning that is extremely likely to be overturned on appeal. Unfortunately there's a solid chance he will be President again before he's brought to trial for this, and he'll probably pardon himself for a bunch of crimes.

And then there are his various attempts to illegally (and legally) disrupt the 2020 election. Charges have been filed for these but again that's looking like it'll be delayed beyond the election.

Basically he's either going to die as president or in prison, at this point.

Contrasting with Hilary Clinton: Trump campaigned, literally, on locking her up. In four years his DOJ never filed charges. Conclusion: not enough evidence of any crime to charge her. Does this mean she is a good person? No. It just means she either didn't commit any crimes, or wasn't as stupid as Trump when she did. Trump has left ample evidence of wrongdoing all over the place, including on his public Twit account.

Joe Biden: His son seems to have been a drug addict and at least part time small-scale criminal and tax avoider. Zero evidence Joe was involved in any of this. If he was, again why did Trump's DOJ fail to charge him in four years?

Of course you could argue Trump was utterly incompetent in office and his DOJ could well have screwed up. Sure. That's possible. Plausible even. But that isn't evidence of Clinton or Biden wrongdoing, is it?

Please refer to my previous post about Midwits, you are a prime example. You have lapped up the left wing media lies, perhaps you should try getting you news from multiple sources and also try doing some verification yourself.

The most laughable one is not taking action against Hilary, perhaps they concluded that taking legal action against political opponents was not the thing to do in a functioning democracy.

[Elite_Pie]

Please refer to my previous post about Midwits, you are a prime example. You have lapped up the left wing media lies, perhaps you should try getting you news from multiple sources and also try doing some verification yourself.

You obviously get your news from multiple sources.

Multiple sources on the far right.

[MarcusCole]

You obviously get your news from multiple sources.

Multiple sources on the far right.

Aren't you clever. far right. Everyone seems to be far right these days to those on the left

[Elite_Pie]

Aren't you clever. far right. Everyone seems to be far right these days to those on the left

I’ll start with the obvious reply, everyone seems to be far left to those on the right!

So please educate me Marcus, give me a few links to these unbiased media sources that suggest that Trump is really a decent bloke.

I bet you can’t provide one.