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    Quote Originally Posted by outwoodclaret View Post
    Silence your critics at home, silence your critics abroad.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60878663
    It's a proper $hitfest outwood.

    The tragedy outwood is the Russians have all the natural assets to live peacefully and prosperously, but they just can't seem able to stop shooting the white dove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outwoodclaret View Post
    Silence your critics at home, silence your critics abroad.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60878663
    you can't just read crap from the western propaganda press and take it as absolute fact - just as wouldn't (if sensible) read pro-kremlin media and take it as fact...why ?...because they play a nasty game and all we are here for it to be shaped into choosing a side - so carry on, let them do the thinking ....dont ask or question why they would use bullets on a bridge in Moscow, dont ask about his potential involvement in the money laundering scandal at the Neftyanoi Bank, (he was the Director)...dont ask how a guy with a minute following in Russia could be touted to replace Putin - or his Pro Western / anti Russian stance on the Ukraine issue, or how condemnation of this sad event was immedialty tuned into a political event.....and who had most to gain ?...forget it, don't Question the Narrative !




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    Of course in history it is wise to read from a variety of sources. For example a better understanding of the English Civil War might be gained by reading say the works of Christopher Hill as well as traditional accounts of the underlying conflict between King and Parliament. The actuality of it all is somewhere in there but you will after consideration come to some conclusion as to what the most probable causes were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outwoodclaret View Post
    Of course in history it is wise to read from a variety of sources. For example a better understanding of the English Civil War might be gained by reading say the works of Christopher Hill as well as traditional accounts of the underlying conflict between King and Parliament. The actuality of it all is somewhere in there but you will after consideration come to some conclusion as to what the most probable causes were.
    Bloody hell, it's getting a bit too deep for me now on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    Bloody hell, it's getting a bit too deep for me now on this thread.
    I chose to reference the English Civil War BT because it is a period of history I know well. Out of that conflict Oliver Cromwell and Parliament emerged victorious. There is little doubting Cromwell’s legacy in establishing the supremacy of Parliament and of making England a major European power. I personally however have no great liking for him as an individual and that in no small part arises from his military campaigns in Ireland. That is just my opinion and many eminent historians take a different view. Of course these matters are now a closed book and people can form their own judgements. Putin’s legacy is still very much in the moment and it is of course wise to interrogate the sources but I am tending to think it is very unfortunate or co-incidental that his political enemies end up dead or in prison. Perhaps I should leave the last word to Oliver Cromwell. “Subtlety may deceive you; integrity never will”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outwoodclaret View Post
    Of course in history it is wise to read from a variety of sources. For example a better understanding of the English Civil War might be gained by reading say the works of Christopher Hill as well as traditional accounts of the underlying conflict between King and Parliament. The actuality of it all is somewhere in there but you will after consideration come to some conclusion as to what the most probable causes were.
    as puppets need strings, so "social and economic transformation" has need for many tentacles - outwood...but as previous, I always tend toward Cui Bono (who benefits) in this case - i'd follow the money, and the 5 ministers who were given refuge in the City of London.


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    Quote Originally Posted by outwoodclaret View Post
    Perhaps I should leave the last word to Oliver Cromwell. “Subtlety may deceive you; integrity never will”.
    those words, obviously weren't a reclection of Cromwells character, are of advice /warning to his friend Robert Barnard (of Huntingdon) after hearing of his concerns, that it seems, were at odds to Cromwells designs - in that, they were what was expected of Barnard....unless he wanted to be sent to a sugar plantation.


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    Very interesting interview this morning on HARDtalk (BBC) with Stephen Sackur questioning Mairead McGuinness the EU Commissioner for Financial Services on the sanctions so far imposed by the EU and its member states on Russia. The EU is caught between a rock and a hard place because of the level of its dependency on Russian oil and gas but the long and the short of it is that at the present time an estimated 300 million dollars a day (a figure proposed by Sackur but not disputed by the Minister) is still flowing out from the EU every single day straight into Putin’s coffers. Sanctions it seems may be hurting Russia but hardly bringing it to its knees. President Zelensky has said the EU is incapable of taking strong and swift action. Zelensky still however wants to join the EU and have Ukraine’s application fast tracked and while the EU have made welcoming noises about another country joining their European family I would imagine practical difficulties and concerns among existing members will inevitably delay or ultimately veto that process. Putin will surely be as untroubled by this as by Biden’s off the cuff remarks that he should be removed from power. Far more troubling will surely be the failure of his armed forces to subjugate the Ukraine and remove its present government. He has stated on more than one occasion that Ukraine has no right to exist other than as a wholly integrated part of Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outwoodclaret View Post
    Very interesting interview this morning on HARDtalk (BBC) with Stephen Sackur questioning Mairead McGuinness the EU Commissioner for Financial Services on the sanctions so far imposed by the EU and its member states on Russia. The EU is caught between a rock and a hard place because of the level of its dependency on Russian oil and gas but the long and the short of it is that at the present time an estimated 300 million dollars a day (a figure proposed by Sackur but not disputed by the Minister) is still flowing out from the EU every single day straight into Putin’s coffers. Sanctions it seems may be hurting Russia but hardly bringing it to its knees. President Zelensky has said the EU is incapable of taking strong and swift action. Zelensky still however wants to join the EU and have Ukraine’s application fast tracked and while the EU have made welcoming noises about another country joining their European family I would imagine practical difficulties and concerns among existing members will inevitably delay or ultimately veto that process. Putin will surely be as untroubled by this as by Biden’s off the cuff remarks that he should be removed from power. Far more troubling will surely be the failure of his armed forces to subjugate the Ukraine and remove its present government. He has stated on more than one occasion that Ukraine has no right to exist other than as a wholly integrated part of Russia.
    The Orange Buffoon was sneered at when he said the krauts were far too dependent on Russian oil and gas for their own financial prosperity and fuel security.

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    The Orange Buffoon was sneered at when he said the krauts were far too dependent on Russian oil and gas for their own financial prosperity and fuel security.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    The Orange Buffoon was sneered at when he said the krauts were far too dependent on Russian oil and gas for their own financial prosperity and fuel security.
    The Orange Buffoon was trying to sell US liquified gas.The Art of the Deal.Putin never intended to take over Ukraine.He simply wanted the Minsk Accords implemented, the recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and for Ukraine to be a neutral country including de-militarisation.The war is a US proxy war in order to weaken Russia and get the desired sanctions then ween the EU onto gas from the US.
    The same gas that the Greens have been telling us is far more environmentally damaging to extract and then transport it on fecking ships all the way across the Atlantic with a carbon footprint the size of Alaska.The gas that, even if they used all the ships in the world it would only amount to 20% of European gas needs.Add to that the cost which will be twice as much as natural gas from Russia and you can see the corrupt politicians in the EU are committing collective suicide for the sake of the globalist cabal.
    500.000 civilians dead and counting in Yemen including 10`s of thousands of children.
    Why have we not sanctioned Saudi Arabia?
    Why are there no articles in the MSM and social media about the genocide in Yemen with videos and pictures of the atrocities?
    Why are there no Yemeni flags at PL matches?
    Why are no Saudi oligarchs having their assets seized all around the world?
    Why has Saudi sovereign wealth not been seized?
    Unfortunately for the globalists Russia,China and India and a host of other countries including Venezuela have all realised who the real bad guys are and are on course to crash the petro-dollar.That will be the end of the good life for everybody in the west.Once that happens it is game over.US/UK/EU will be fecked.The Ruble and Chinese currency will become the main currencies in the world backed by commodities and manufacturing.
    Russia and Ukraine supply over 40% of wheat exports and a host of other commodities which are essential for food production and manufacturing in the West.
    So not only will the EU be cold next winter but people will also be hungry as manufacturing stops and unemployment rises amid sky rocketing food prices.Blow job forgot to tell you this whilst demonising Russia/Putin and sending Javelins at $178.000 a pop.That is over $1billion and counting so far of UK taxpayers money to provide military support to a military that is full of Nazis in Ukraine.The same MSM including the BBC has run numerous articles on the Nazi problem in the Ukraine over the last 6 years yet they now call them far-right instead of Nazi.
    This is exactly the scenario what the globalists want for their push towards the Great Reset and Blowjob is leading the charge with Trudeau and the Biden administration.
    Macron has already told the French to stop heating as much as usual and prepare for severe food shortages next winter.A country which has a much larger food production than the UK.Blowjob has not mentioned this amongst all his bravado but much of the West need to prepare themselves to either heat or eat next winter.
    And all for what?
    That Ukraine does not become a member of Nato?
    Do you really think that all this misery is just because of that?
    The oligarch behind Zelensky from day one is called Igor Kolomoisky.He also owns Burisma-the gas company that Hunter Biden worked for.The same Hunter Biden whose investment company Metabiota(a US Department of Defense contractor specializing in research on pandemic-causing diseases that can be used as bioweapons) helped fund the 36 biolabs in the Ukraine.The biolabs that the architect of the 2014 Maidan coup Victoria Nuland admitted to the senate exist and are worried that the Russians might get their hands on the the research.Join the dots-these globalists are the truly evil ones and the sooner the public at large realises it the better.
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