O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[mellowmiller]

Your opinion of him isn't good is it? You have a pre-conceived impression of what he was going to say regardless of what he said!

The MEGA mob as you call them is the majority of the American voters who voted for Donald Trump to be president and him to be Vice president.

A part of the justice system in the UK I would expect better or at least an open mind but like on many topics yours is closed and seem bias but no doubt you would take anyones money and argue regardless!

Apparently he's a good barista though.
I think that's what he said 😉.

[KerrAvon]

Your opinion of him isn't good is it? You have a pre-conceived impression of what he was going to say regardless of what he said!

The MEGA mob as you call them is the majority of the American voters who voted for Donald Trump to be president and him to be Vice president.

A part of the justice system in the UK I would expect better or at least an open mind but like on many topics yours is closed and seem bias but no doubt you would take anyones money and argue regardless!

I don't think you read my post, Frog.

I began with the words: I've watched Vance's speech. That's what I did.

There's nothing preconceived about my view. I accurately described what he said.

Have you watched Vance's speech? I'm guessing that you haven't given your apparent ignorance of its content.

You do Trump voters a disservice by equating them all with the MAGA mob.

[animallittle3]

I've watched Vance's speech and assumed that he was playing for laughs at times:

1. He banged on about the need for Europeans to respect the outcome of elections even if they don't like them. It's almost as though he's not a member of a party that launched numerous legal challenges to the 2020 US election results and is led by a man who still refuses to acknowledge the outcome.

2. He droned on about free speech. It's almost as though he isn't Vice President to a man who sets the MAGA mob on anyone who expresses critcism of him and spent the run up to the 2020 election getting that mob to chant 'lock her up' about his opponent.

And yet The Republicans had practically a landslide victory in the US election with more ethnic groups voting for Trump than at any other time in history .

The US electorate also had a good look at Trump from 2016 to 2020 and yet decided to give him another go .

Not saying much about the Democrats is it ?

The same Democrats who between Trump won 3 out of the last 4 US elections .

It's all well and good pointing the finger at Trump but ask yourself what led to his two election victories ?

I'd point the finger at the Democrats myself .

[KerrAvon]

Apparently he's a good barista though.
I think that's what he said 😉.

think that's what he said 😉.
There's no joke like an old joke.

Wish I'd got a quid for everytime I've heard (or used) that one

[KerrAvon]

And yet The Republicans had practically a landslide victory in the US election with more ethnic groups voting for Trump than at any other time in history .

The US electorate also had a good look at Trump from 2016 to 2020 and yet decided to give him another go .

Not saying much about the Democrats is it ?

The same Democrats who between Trump won 3 out of the last 4 US elections .

It's all well and good pointing the finger at Trump but ask yourself what led to his two election victories ?

I'd point the finger at the Democrats myself .

I think there are many reasons for Trump's victory.

He appeals to people who have been left behind by the deindustrialisation of the US, by promising easy answers and the lack of a coherent offer by the Democrats would be my top picks.

Not sure what that's got to do with the comedy elements of Vance's speech.

[CAMiller]

Trump has certainly changed the US since taking office.

For one thing, the prime time evening news has gone from the very occasional appearance of a sleepy old bloke mumbling incoherently to a daily dose of an orange faced slightly younger bloke providing comedy gold. I'm not saying he's wrong, just funny

[Steve Miller]

He was convicted of violent disorder, which is an offence committed in the following way:

Where 3 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using or threatening unlawful violence is guilty of violent disorder (section 2(1) Public Order Act 1986).

The use of the words 'taken together' in the defintion is crucial here. He didn't just push a police officer and shouted scum, he pushed a police officer and shouted scum as part of a mob that threw missiles at officers, shouted threats and abuse, caused damage and set fires both within and outside the hotel.

The court had no option other than to send Lynch to prison, both because of the gravity of violent disorder and because of the guidance given by the Court of Appeal in cases arising from the riots in 2011, which made it clear than an immediate and lengthy sentence should follow for persons convicted of involvement in large scale disturbances.

The 2011 riots involved a lot of black defendants. I can't remember the right getting upset about the punitive sentences that followed. Funny that.

I'm not sure why Starmer gets the blame for Lynch's death. It was Lynch who involved himself in the mob and a court that sent him down in accordance with the relevant guidance. The notion that anyone would plead guilty to violent disorder to get an 'easy time' is comical.

You a lawyer then, or in the legal/justice business?

[animallittle3]

Trump has certainly changed the US since taking office.

For one thing, the prime time evening news has gone from the very occasional appearance of a sleepy old bloke mumbling incoherently to a daily dose of an orange faced slightly younger bloke providing comedy gold. I'm not saying he's wrong, just funny

Well they aren't laughing in Europe that's for sure , I think Trump - Vance have just about made them redundant even though most of them were probably finished anyway .

This spineless and self serving European political class now don't know what the fuq to do .

Uncle Sam doesn't want to know them anymore and the emerging country's in the world such as India and Vietnam have better investment prospects elsewhere .

As for the U.K , well we've been finished for years but our political class are permanently in denial .

The real funny bit is that Europe's done it to itself , totally self inflicted which was pretty much Vance's point .

You should hear the whimpers and see the tears coming from Europe's political class now the US network has closed down .

[frogmiller]

Well they aren't laughing in Europe that's for sure , I think Trump - Vance have just about made them redundant even though most of them were probably finished anyway .

This spineless and self serving European political class now don't know what the fuq to do .

Uncle Sam doesn't want to know them anymore and the emerging country's in the world such as India and Vietnam have better investment prospects elsewhere .

As for the U.K , well we've been finished for years but our political class are permanently in denial .

The real funny bit is that Europe's done it to itself , totally self inflicted which was pretty much Vance's point .

You should hear the whimpers and see the tears coming from Europe's political class now the US network has closed down .

I watched a clip of the once wannabe leader of the Tory party, ex Eton educated and teacher of the royals moaning the other day.
Trump has stopped a payment through USAID of $1m to his wife?s charity teaching Afghan farmers about abstract art 😂.

There are many more that have had their payments questioned and now the tap has been turned off!

[Stansmate]

Increase of .2% in defence - wow that?ll sort it ��

This guy will go down as our worst ever PM !!

Yes it?s a different world but his lot have an agenda worse the Evans ��