O/T Coronavirus Thread (3)

[animallittle3]

Well he didn't actually say that we can or should inject disinfectant, but I'm sure that some people will have interpreted it that way.

It is often calamitous when non-scientists seek to interpret science. Particularly when the non-scientist in question has a grossly over inflated opinion of his own ability and understanding.

The most stupidest person in the world and the President of the United States would normally be two different people ..... however !! .

[KerrAvon]

The most stupidest person in the world and the President of the United States would normally be two different people ..... however !! .

It's not hard to reach such a conclusion when you look at some of the things that he has said (with his comments about UV and disinfectant being prime examples), but it is difficult to accept that someone who is massively intellectually challenged could build up a vast business empire and make it to The White House. That would take a lot of luck.

I don’t claim to have any particular insights into him (although I could hold forth upon how I think he wins elections) but think it is probably unwise to simply dismiss Trump as being stupid.

[Exiletyke]

It's not hard to reach such a conclusion when you look at some of the things that he has said (with his comments about UV and disinfectant being prime examples), but it is difficult to accept that someone who is massively intellectually challenged could build up a vast business empire and make it to The White House. That would take a lot of luck.

I don’t claim to have any particular insights into him (although I could hold forth upon how I think he wins elections) but think it is probably unwise to simply dismiss Trump as being stupid.

Are you familiar with the principles of a cesspool, if not I will enlighten you
Sh1t floats [rather surprisingly]

[Lasterman]

It's not hard to reach such a conclusion when you look at some of the things that he has said (with his comments about UV and disinfectant being prime examples), but it is difficult to accept that someone who is massively intellectually challenged could build up a vast business empire and make it to The White House. That would take a lot of luck.

I don’t claim to have any particular insights into him (although I could hold forth upon how I think he wins elections) but think it is probably unwise to simply dismiss Trump as being stupid.

Trump's wealth and 'success' is interesting. As is always the case when the numbers get high, it's hard to get to the bottom of it. However he inherited a vast sum from his father (estimates as high as $413m) and a 2016 analysis of Trump's business career in The Economist concluded that his performance since 1985 had been "mediocre compared with the stock market and property in New York". A subsequent analysis in The Washington Post similarly noted that Trump's estimated net worth of $100 million in 1978 would have increased to $6 billion by 2016 if he had invested it in a typical retirement fund, and concluded that "Trump is a mix of braggadocio, business failures, and real success."

So in a nutshell if he'd put what he had in 1978 on a spread of shares and New York property, he's be worth more than he is now. So no great business brain either.

[John2]

It's not hard to reach such a conclusion when you look at some of the things that he has said (with his comments about UV and disinfectant being prime examples), but it is difficult to accept that someone who is massively intellectually challenged could build up a vast business empire and make it to The White House. That would take a lot of luck.

It is a myth that Trump is a successful businessman. It's the reason he's hiding his tax returns.
The luck was in having a(n adjusted for inflation) billionaire dad.

Trump has taken that immense wealth on a series of failed ventures and bankruptcies and has under performed compared to the markets. He has, however, excelled as building a brand on the basis of exaggerating and misrepresenting his wealth. He's elevated himself on the back of lies throughout his entire life. Its his MO.

His being elected and widespread belief in his success is more a reflection on the intelligence of the average American than it is on him.

[Exiletyke]

It is a myth that Trump is a successful businessman. It's the reason he's hiding his tax returns.
The luck was in having a(n adjusted for inflation) billionaire dad.

Trump has taken that immense wealth on a series of failed ventures and bankruptcies and has under performed compared to the markets. He has, however, excelled as building a brand on the basis of exaggerating and misrepresenting his wealth. He's elevated himself on the back of lies throughout his entire life. Its his MO.

His being elected and widespread belief in his success is more a reflection on the intelligence of the average American than it is on him.

Well put John

[KerrAvon]

It is a myth that Trump is a successful businessman. It's the reason he's hiding his tax returns.
The luck was in having a(n adjusted for inflation) billionaire dad.

Trump has taken that immense wealth on a series of failed ventures and bankruptcies and has under performed compared to the markets. He has, however, excelled as building a brand on the basis of exaggerating and misrepresenting his wealth. He's elevated himself on the back of lies throughout his entire life. Its his MO.

His being elected and widespread belief in his success is more a reflection on the intelligence of the average American than it is on him.

Blimey.

I was in Saint Lucia when Trump was elected and a couple of days after the election got chatting about it with a couple from Greenville, Mississippi who were ardent Trump supporters. I won’t pretend that I had a very lengthy conversation with them as I was on holiday and so probably wanted to get back to my sun lounger to have a row with someone on here, but I got the flavour of it.

In essence, they felt that they had been marginalised, discounted and scoffed at by their political leaders for too long and saw Trump as addressing that. Whether they were right or wrong, I wouldn’t like to say, but I detected nothing about them to cause me to question their intelligence. Indeed, I think part of the issue that they had was that they were tired of being treated as lacking in intelligence by a politicians who ‘knew best’.

The Labour Party has spent the last five years dismissing anyone who didn’t buy into their project as morally inferior and lacking in intelligence. Unfortunately, for them that included a significant number of their traditional support who got the chance to respond last December. You should reflect on that, John.

[mikemiller]

Blimey.

I was in Saint Lucia when Trump was elected

On a holiday cruise , was it?
(Seem to remember another poster mentioning visiting that area - must have been sheer coincidence )

Seriously though, this government are big believers in league tables for schools... surely they must apply that to themselves? We have been one of the worst in the coronavirus "league tables", and what would happen in a school is that it would be put under "special measures" and the people in charge removed... so time to say goodbye , Boris?

[John2]

In essence, they felt that they had been marginalised, discounted and scoffed at by their political leaders for too long and saw Trump as addressing that. Whether they were right or wrong, I wouldn’t like to say, but I detected nothing about them to cause me to question their intelligence. Indeed, I think part of the issue that they had was that they were tired of being treated as lacking in intelligence by a politicians who ‘knew best’.

The Labour Party has spent the last five years dismissing anyone who didn’t buy into their project as morally inferior and lacking in intelligence. Unfortunately, for them that included a significant number of their traditional support who got the chance to respond last December. You should reflect on that, John.

All of this is true, your sample size of 2 people may be highly intelligent, as are many Trump voters.

These people may be right to feel marginalised, the haven't been listened to, the political system has failed them.

Observing the cognitive decline in America may not be helpful, it may offend, patronise and even make the problem worse.

None of this prevents it being true though. Having spent a fair amount of time there, I see huge failings in the education system, and a huge failing in the way information is transmitted and interpreted. This creates real world problems that have real implications. Donald Trump is a consequence of this decline.

[animallittle3]

Wow , if true .


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