O/T:- Defund the bbc.

[seriouspie]

... yes, Andrew Neil ... far too sensible for the Leftwaffe ...

I understand Andrew and Nigel are launching a mainstream news channel backed by uncle Rupert; if true this will make the others look up a little. These guys don't piss about being negative they make things happen; especially as money will be no object.

[sidders]

i961 pie, black bess & Mr Serious. There's no doubt that no one fillets politicians better than Andrew Neil, but he only does it in terms of their competency; hardly ever on account of their policies.
He is, of course, a rank right-winger as was displayed in his years as Editor of the Sunday Times. It would be very interesting if he was to subject his Uncle Rupert to the same incendiary treatment that he might give someone like Corbyn.
And yet, remember that the disgustingly left-wing BBC frequently employs him. Now what's all that about?
Please give a read to this piece by Owen Jones (yes, I know) if you think you're strong enough. Also recommended for the reverse WASP.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...media-politics

[Psaw]

That article is narcissistic, it turns the accusations of left wing bias into trying to fool people into thinking its a right wing organisation, total ballacks. I think its called gaslighting. Neil was in the political grave, after 10 o clock, when nobody cares, and they need someone like him to cover up blatant left wing bias elsewhere.

They can always point to him.

Neill isnt right wing, he addresses reality, whoever it is. He does go too far though.

Not that long ago, Neill was about to be sacked anyway. Neill resisted all the pressures upon him to give left wing views, good on him, and he was going to pay for it. I welcome an impartial news organisation, it cant come soon enough.

It will weaken the viewings of the BBC even more and usher it into the garbage can quicker.

The BBC dont seem to understand that being partial weakens the lefts standing, the BBC has done incalculable harm to opposing the Tories. Fair minded people cant vote for liars, cheats, manipulators, those who call it red, when its blue.

As for the Corbyn and Wilson types, no one can vote for political gangsters.

[i961pie]

i961 pie, black bess & Mr Serious. There's no doubt that no one fillets politicians better than Andrew Neil, but he only does it in terms of their competency; hardly ever on account of their policies.
He is, of course, a rank right-winger as was displayed in his years as Editor of the Sunday Times. It would be very interesting if he was to subject his Uncle Rupert to the same incendiary treatment that he might give someone like Corbyn.
And yet, remember that the disgustingly left-wing BBC frequently employs him. Now what's all that about?
Please give a read to this piece by Owen Jones (yes, I know) if you think you're strong enough. Also recommended for the reverse WASP.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...media-politics

That rank right winger as you put it also slated Boris, Gavin Williamson and the Tories on their handling of education and Covid 19.
Also at the moment he doesn't work for the BBC but is in negotiations with them and other channels.

[seriouspie]

I've read the piece by 'Niceboy' ....... good comments and opinions to which he's entitled - but not opinions I'd share, to which I'm entitled also. At the end of the day all the hard left opinions are about the unfairness of the spread of wealth. I accept this and believe that that wealth comes basically in three ways; you can inherit it, you can win it or steal it - or you have to bloody work hard to achieve it. Always been the same and it's not harmed me throughout the past 80 odd years and the way the system works. Therefore in my view we return to the Socialist mantra of being the 'Politics of envy'.

I've been around a long time and the things we take for granted today are fabulous compared to what they were 60 years ago. I'm bloody glad and consider myself fortunate I was born British and still alive to talk about it.

Capitalism will always crush Socialism in Britain irrespective of the L/W 'Intelligentsia' spouting otherwise - in my opinion.

Incidentally, are you still happy the US Democrats will win? I mean, all the polls show a Biden win don't they? So you must be confident. I'm exceedingly confident it will go the other way so have your cheque ready to post.

[Psaw]

Top stuff serious pie, Trump isnt perfect, but anything else but a trump win will be horrendous. Despite being an awkward cuss, he has worked wonders.

[sidders]

I've read the piece by 'Niceboy' ....... good comments and opinions to which he's entitled - but not opinions I'd share, to which I'm entitled also. At the end of the day all the hard left opinions are about the unfairness of the spread of wealth. I accept this and believe that that wealth comes basically in three ways; you can inherit it, you can win it or steal it - or you have to bloody work hard to achieve it. Always been the same and it's not harmed me throughout the past 80 odd years and the way the system works. Therefore in my view we return to the Socialist mantra of being the 'Politics of envy'.

I've been around a long time and the things we take for granted today are fabulous compared to what they were 60 years ago. I'm bloody glad and consider myself fortunate I was born British and still alive to talk about it.

Capitalism will always crush Socialism in Britain irrespective of the L/W 'Intelligentsia' spouting otherwise - in my opinion.

Incidentally, are you still happy the US Democrats will win? I mean, all the polls show a Biden win don't they? So you must be confident. I'm exceedingly confident it will go the other way so have your cheque ready to post.

Btw, Serious, you say that wealth comes in 3 ways - steal it, win it or inherit it. But surely that should be 4 ways, because you can earn it too?

I'd prefer to do a bank transfer if you can send me the details. Trump is obviously going to make the 4 years now.
However, I have said on here that whilst I think it really important that Trump is beaten in November, America is so flucked-up that I'm not counting on anything.
Do you have a presence on Facebook? If so, we could swap the details on there. If not, I'll send you one of my email addresses.

[seriouspie]

Top stuff serious pie, Trump isnt perfect, but anything else but a trump win will be horrendous. Despite being an awkward cuss, he has worked wonders.

Correct Psaw.

As a man DT comes over as brash, bombastic and arrogant; to conclude, not a pleasant bloke I would imagine.

As a leader of people he has that rare brand of charisma that Biden lacks. The Americans are used to this sort of thing and always have been. I'm no expert but the land of free enterprise; from the early pioneers to the likes of Henry Ford have forged a nation from nothing in under 300 years. They've built huge construction projects, harnessed their country's natural reserves, blasted railroads through mountains all because they had the dreams to do it and make it happen. In other words men of vision ... determined to succeed and bollox to the problems. Socialism in my book breeds idleness ......let others take the risk and tax them out of existence if they succeed. That's the easy way until the money runs out.

[Elite_Pie]

That rank right winger as you put it also slated Boris, Gavin Williamson and the Tories on their handling of education and Covid 19.

You don't need to be left or right wing to come to that conclusion, you just need a single brain cell.

If any of our Boris lovers can offer a reasoned argument that the Tories have handled the Covid-19 crisis and education well, I'd love to read it.

[seriouspie]

Btw, Serious, you say that wealth comes in 3 ways - steal it, win it or inherit it. But surely that should be 4 ways, because you can earn it too?

I'd prefer to do a bank transfer if you can send me the details. Trump is obviously going to make the 4 years now.
However, I have said on here that whilst I think it really important that Trump is beaten in November, America is so flucked-up that I'm not counting on anything.
Do you have a presence on Facebook? If so, we could swap the details on there. If not, I'll send you one of my email addresses.

Thanks Sidney for your reply.

I did say you could gain wealth by working hard and sorry if I grouped 'steal' or 'inherit' as one. It was meant as one but technically I suppose you could call it four reasons.

I guess it was about 3 years ago when you accepted my bet ( I seem to remember your "yup I'll have some of that" as your acceptance sentence) when the Dems were all raging about the 'Russian affair', the Mueller report and the possibility of an impeachment which was music to your ears. I'm a little surprised you appear to accept you have lost at this early stage as there's still a long way to go so don't give up yet!

I do however know you will not welch on the bet and I like that - fair enough. However I don't give out my bank details, but should I win, I'll give you the bank details of Beaumond House on London Road Newark who you should know is a fine hospice for all in the area. They know me reasonably well as I've raised a few quid for them in the past. If I lose then I'll transfer the dosh to an account of your choosing.