O/T:- Defund the bbc.

[i961pie]

Btw, Serious, you say that wealth comes in 3 ways - steal it, win it or inherit it. But surely that should be 4 ways, because you can earn it too?

I'd prefer to do a bank transfer if you can send me the details. Trump is obviously going to make the 4 years now.
However, I have said on here that whilst I think it really important that Trump is beaten in November, America is so flucked-up that I'm not counting on anything.
Do you have a presence on Facebook? If so, we could swap the details on there. If not, I'll send you one of my email addresses.

Unfortunately America is flucked up and whoever wins the other side will not accept it.

[sidders]

Unfortunately America is flucked up and whoever wins the other side will not accept it.

Actually, I think the Democrats would accept defeat, but if these two are the finest candidates a country of 328 million people can come up with, I despair.

[EwarWooWar]

i961 pie, black bess & Mr Serious. There's no doubt that no one fillets politicians better than Andrew Neil, but he only does it in terms of their competency; hardly ever on account of their policies.
He is, of course, a rank right-winger as was displayed in his years as Editor of the Sunday Times. It would be very interesting if he was to subject his Uncle Rupert to the same incendiary treatment that he might give someone like Corbyn.
And yet, remember that the disgustingly left-wing BBC frequently employs him. Now what's all that about?
Please give a read to this piece by Owen Jones (yes, I know) if you think you're strong enough. Also recommended for the reverse WASP.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...media-politics

I find it laughable that you think Owen Jones is a credible source. He is a political activist first and foremost using a journalist position to push his hard left agenda. Andrew Neil is hard jounalist first and foremost. Owen is a Millionaire Socialist pretending to care about the working class, but he is just another Millionaire larping his way through life. He has never done a hard days work in his life.

[sidders]

I find it laughable that you think Owen Jones is a credible source. He is a political activist first and foremost using a journalist position to push his hard left agenda. Andrew Neil is hard jounalist first and foremost. Owen is a Millionaire Socialist pretending to care about the working class, but he is just another Millionaire larping his way through life. He has never done a hard days work in his life.

1. Owen Jones is NOT a millionaire because he realises that if you're a socialist it is criminal to (a) have a million (b) be a success. But anyway, old lad, check it out on Twitter.
2. He makes no secret of his leftist tendencies but that doesn't mean he can't be an investigative journalist. By not openly declaring his conservatism Andrew Neill can lay (falsely) a claim to neutrality.
3 'A hard day's work' - that old chestnut. Tell me, have you done one? Describe it. Of what does 'a hard day's work' have to comprise?

[Psaw]

That article is narcissistic, it turns the accusations of left wing bias into trying to fool people into thinking its a right wing organisation, total ballacks. I think its called gaslighting. Neil was in the political grave, after 10 o clock, when nobody cares, and they need someone like him to cover up blatant left wing bias elsewhere.

They can always point to him.

Neill isnt right wing, he addresses reality, whoever it is. He does go too far though.

Not that long ago, Neill was about to be sacked anyway. Neill resisted all the pressures upon him to give left wing views, good on him, and he was going to pay for it. I welcome an impartial news organisation, it cant come soon enough.

It will weaken the viewings of the BBC even more and usher it into the garbage can quicker.

The BBC dont seem to understand that being partial weakens the lefts standing, the BBC has done incalculable harm to opposing the Tories. Fair minded people cant vote for liars, cheats, manipulators, those who call it red, when its blue.

As for the Corbyn and Wilson types, no one can vote for political gangsters.

[Psaw]

Top stuff serious pie, Trump isnt perfect, but anything else but a trump win will be horrendous. Despite being an awkward cuss, he has worked wonders.

[seriouspie]

Top stuff serious pie, Trump isnt perfect, but anything else but a trump win will be horrendous. Despite being an awkward cuss, he has worked wonders.

Correct Psaw.

As a man DT comes over as brash, bombastic and arrogant; to conclude, not a pleasant bloke I would imagine.

As a leader of people he has that rare brand of charisma that Biden lacks. The Americans are used to this sort of thing and always have been. I'm no expert but the land of free enterprise; from the early pioneers to the likes of Henry Ford have forged a nation from nothing in under 300 years. They've built huge construction projects, harnessed their country's natural reserves, blasted railroads through mountains all because they had the dreams to do it and make it happen. In other words men of vision ... determined to succeed and bollox to the problems. Socialism in my book breeds idleness ......let others take the risk and tax them out of existence if they succeed. That's the easy way until the money runs out.

[crazyfists]

I asked if any of the Boris lovers could offer a reasoned argument that the Tories have handled the Covid-19 crisis and education well. Your one word excuse (sorry, answer) was 'hindsight'.

That seems more of an admission of abject failure to me.

Like. You asked him for a reasoned argument and he said hindsight then just slagged off the left.

I wonder if Boris will meet the covid families group after saying he would when asked on TV then ducked out. What a man to look up to, he's a hero.

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Like. You asked him for a reasoned argument and he said hindsight then just slagged off the left.

I wonder if Boris will meet the covid families group after saying he would when asked on TV then ducked out. What a man to look up to, he's a hero.

They'll find him holed up in a giant fridge somewhere, Crazy. PMQ at 12 today should be 'fun'.

[drillerpie]

Look at what is happening between rival supporters.

A couple of months ago on the BLM thread I noted that potential for widespread political violence. It's perhaps an exaggeration to say it's widespread at this point, but Americans with extreme political views are currently killing each other on the streets, which is a remarkable thing to be typing in 2020.

I also noted that this would result in the next government being a more authoritarian one, and I've just checked the bookies odds and Trump and Biden are both around evens now. Biden was clear odds on favourite a couple of months ago.

There was only a small chance the Dems could lose this election and it required them to 1) pick an awful candidate and 2) go full woke. Right on cue they've gone and done both those things.