Paisley dudes V AFC Match Thread

[57vintage]

That is exactly the attitude our club has, we are too nice and worried about offending people which is why we have only won the league cup twice in the last 25 years.

Plenty of clubs tell players they need to move on even when they don’t want to,it’s part of being a football player.You aren’t wanted so you move on.

If the right move comes up for Cosgrove he won’t give a flying fvck whether or not we want him to stay.

Both parties signed a contract. It can only be terminated by mutual consent, although I suspect that there will be clauses to protect both parties within it (eg breaches of club discipline, failure to honour agreed payments etc). The club could, of course, agree to terminate his contract and pay him his dues to do so, allowing him to sign a new contract with another club. That would mean no fee like, an odd and poor business decision if the market (Thatcherism, ken?) suggests that some suitor is offering to pay a seven-figure sum for a signed player.

Footballers now enjoy the same employment protection as other workers do. That is only civilised, right and proper. Didn’t a tasty crew ditch a statue of the slave owner Colston in Bristol docks of late? Isn’t there debate in process about the naming of streets in Glasgow in tribute to the slave traders? Isn’t Edinburgh all afizz with arguments on the wording of an explanatory plaque at the foot of Dundas’s statue, and the good citizens of Toronto considering how best to deal with the main Dundas thoroughfare?

Slavery’s over in the so-called civilised world, chum, although there would be no objection to its return in some areas of the Conservative Party. Footballers are employees of organisations, and are some of the last to be recognised as having such status and concomitant rights. They cannot be traded as commodities any more, nor can they have their trade restrained by clubs with whom they have contracts. If and when Cosgrove moves, he, Aberdeen FC, and any third party wishing to offer him a contract, will all have to agree.

Welcome to the 21st century.

[rico94]

Both parties signed a contract. It can only be terminated by mutual consent, although I suspect that there will be clauses to protect both parties within it (eg breaches of club discipline, failure to honour agreed payments etc). The club could, of course, agree to terminate his contract and pay him his dues to do so, allowing him to sign a new contract with another club. That would mean no fee like, an odd and poor business decision if the market (Thatcherism, ken?) suggests that some suitor is offering to pay a seven-figure sum for a signed player.

Footballers now enjoy the same employment protection as other workers do. That is only civilised, right and proper. Didn’t a tasty crew ditch a statue of the slave owner Colston in Bristol docks of late? Isn’t there debate in process about the naming of streets in Glasgow in tribute to the slave traders? Isn’t Edinburgh all afizz with arguments on the wording of an explanatory plaque at the foot of Dundas’s statue, and the good citizens of Toronto considering how best to deal with the main Dundas thoroughfare?

Slavery’s over in the so-called civilised world, chum, although there would be no objection to its return in some areas of the Conservative Party. Footballers are employees of organisations, and are some of the last to be recognised as having such status and concomitant rights. They cannot be traded as commodities any more, nor can they have their trade restrained by clubs with whom they have contracts. If and when Cosgrove moves, he, Aberdeen FC, and any third party wishing to offer him a contract, will all have to agree.

Welcome to the 21st century.

What are you going on about?

You really don’t think football players under contract are told to move on these days when they don’t want to?

Football players aren’t like you and I at all, if I’m doing at sh1t job on a regular basis at my work I get fired, they don’t.

[57vintage]

What are you going on about?

That’ll be employment rights. Look it up.

You really don’t think football players under contract are told to move on these days when they don’t want to?

Perhaps, but it won’t be without their club, with which they have a contract, honouring that contract eg by paying out their contract or an agreed severance sum suitable to both player and club. Bryson, Gleeson etc are examples.

Football players aren’t like you and I at all, if I’m doing at sh1t job on a regular basis at my work I get fired, they don’t.

I’m afraid they are in principle. If players don’t perform well, they can be demoted out of (say) the first team squad, in which case the bonus structure for the first team squad likely won’t be available to them. Both parties may then agree to the player going on the transfer list, and may agree to a transfer to another club, terminating the existing contract. The club may offer that player an inducement to leave the club on a free transfer (Bryson).

I think the difference is that footballers sign closed contracts, ie for a specific period eg three years. In my 41 years of employment, I never had a fixed-term contract, and my experience is that that would have been unusual. I was obliged to heed contractual notice periods, however, and was never fortunate enough to have an employer say to me “Just **** off then, and we’ll pay you for your notice period”. I was ever the model employee, of course.

[pieandbovrilman]

Both parties signed a contract

In the immortal words of Ray Kroc “contracts were made to be broken”

[Basingstokered]

In the immortal words of Ray Kroc “contracts were made to be broken”

Maybe if the club had a few more with Ray Kroc drive and ambition we wouldn’t be such a bunch of nice guys.

[redscot]

Cant beat a packet of Frazzles.

[NaeMairNeeps]

So refreshin' tae read a thread on here so jam packed wi positivity

For the record ..... canna mind fa sold them ... tempted tae say Holland and Barratt fan they were at Carnegie Brae, but it disna mak sense cos they're a health food store ... and yet Ah'm sure it wis them fa sellt them .... Mustard Crisps! ... absolutely wonderful!

[blowupsheep]

Fa minds oh scampi n lemon flavoured nik-naks? Smelled a helluva lot like fool Annie fae the docks bit tasted afa fine.

[sheepcrooky]

Fa minds oh scampi n lemon flavoured nik-naks? Smelled a helluva lot like fool Annie fae the docks bit tasted afa fine.

Them and scampi fries are bogging. I have never met Annie fae the docks, but I know exactly what you mean. Gagging material.

[pieandbovrilman]

Them and scampi fries are bogging. I have never met Annie fae the docks, but I know exactly what you mean. Gagging material.

Scampi fries and Annie’s fishy Fanny oh fit fiiiiine !