O/T COVID rising…

[KerrAvon]

Not an antivaxxer Kerr but I believe people shouldn't be vaccinated against their wishes, or lose their jobs. There are people earning a lot of money out of this sham.

When this is over I want someone to explain to me why wearing a mask to walk through an empty doorway because its dangerous, bu sitting at a table with people without a mask is safe.

Also, 75,000 in a football stadium shoulder to shoulder is safe but 10,000 on a march outside is dangerous.

...The more worrying aspect is that some people actually believe this junk

I too am uneasy about compulsory vaccination. I think we should all be careful not to give up our individual freedoms and it plays into the hand of the paranoid personality disorder posse who see the hand of the new world order in Covid (yes, gf, I am looking at you). That being said, I think the balance tips when you are talking about people who work with those who are known to be very vulnerable such as care home workers. There is nothing new in that; we have accepted that principle in respect of surgeons, who must be vaccinated for hepatitis in order to work. We also live with laws that permit for the forced treatement of those with TB.

I agree with your point on the money that has been made. Sadly, the government that is led by the person shown in your avatar has facilitated that, through its VIP channel for chums of the Tory party

Flourbasher is right. An infected person sitting at a table is primarily an infection risk to those in his immediate vicinity. If you accept the notion that mask wearing cuts transmission (for which see below) then requiring people to mask up when circulating within a bar or restaurant reduces the risk that they pose. The benefits are probably marginal, but marginal is better than nothing.

I agree with your position on marches and football matches, but , as far as I am aware, similar restrictions applied to both at similar times.

[KerrAvon]

Thats a strange analysis pal, I can see your all in with this.

The doorways were one entrance in and one entrance out so your answer doesn't explain anything

Another one

If masks do what certain people think and contain spores that are smaller than the perforations, what happens when they breathe out? Secondly, why are they not disposed of in contaminated waste bins instead of being thrown on the floor and in normal bins?

why does biohazard tape protect someone in a pub who is 3 feet away but isnt needed in a football match where someone is sat next to you?

Virues (not spores) are far smaller than the holes that exist between fibres within masks, but the point is that they are unlikely to be ejected from a person as single viruses (and the risk from a single virus would be very small). Instead, they will be carried on small droplets of water that are ejected when people speak or, more significanlty, cough. Those droplets are much larger than viruses and much more easily captured.

The pub football comparison is not straighforward. For obvious reasons, football stadia are far better ventilated than the average pub (where I prefer to sit outside at the moment - see above). That ventilation makes it likely that infected particulate material will quickly be dissipated and diluted. In addition, the presence of UV light in sunlight is quickly 'fatal' to virues (inverted commas because, strictly speaking, virues aren't alive to begin with).

And, again, I don't believe that there are any government mandated restrictions in pubs at the moment

[KerrAvon]

Quick point and question.?

If someone farts through their jeans you can sometimes smell it but, if you have unsuspected COVID and cough while wearing a face mask, can the spores be omitted through a mask? Has anyone any proof on this?

Farts are made up of gases - typically methane, carbon dioxide and hydrogen sulfide and also contain various volatile organic compounds such as indole and skatole, which add to the aroma. Gases pass freely thorugh fabric masks.

Viruses and the droplets in which they are carried are particulate in nature.

The current research points to a benefit from mask wearing: https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2021/...skwearing.html

[great_fire]

Most of those Covid "conspiracy theories" have come true though.

Hancock said the jabs were "only for the old and vulnerable", then "not for children".
Gove and Zahawi said there would be no internal vaccine passports.

"Progressives" love war, not because they love death, but because of the mobilisation, they can do things they wouldn't be able to do in peacetime i.e. increase state control. They tried to replicate this war footing with "Climate Change" and "Diversity" and of course public health. Covid has been their wet dream, they've been able to massively increase the powers of the state and remove freedoms we spent hundreds of years fighting for.

[KerrAvon]

most of those covid "conspiracy theories" have come true though.

Hancock said the jabs were "only for the old and vulnerable", then "not for children".
Gove and zahawi said there would be no internal vaccine passports.

"progressives" love war, not because they love death, but because of the mobilisation, they can do things they wouldn't be able to do in peacetime i.e. Increase state control. They tried to replicate this war footing with "climate change" and "diversity" and of course public health. Covid has been their wet dream, they've been able to massively increase the powers of the state and remove freedoms we spent hundreds of years fighting for.

Q. E. D.

That being said, there is a point to your comment about the restriction on freedoms. The bulk of the government powers contained within the Coronavirus Act 2020 have never been used, but I woud like to see them repealed as soon as possible. To date, only the Lib Dems have been willing to vote for that to happen

[caytonmiller]

Government got slated for not bringing in face covering earlier. Experts were undecided on the benefits of wearing face coverings. Then experts say it protects others wearing a mask so government say start wearing a mask. Now it's you have a choice to wear a mask or not. Now amateur experts are saying don't wear a mask, waste of time. Whilst other amateur experts are saying wearing a mask is a good idea.

Does anyone really know?

[Brin]

Government got slated for not bringing in face covering earlier. Experts were undecided on the benefits of wearing face coverings. Then experts say it protects others wearing a mask so government say start wearing a mask. Now it's you have a choice to wear a mask or not. Now amateur experts are saying don't wear a mask, waste of time. Whilst other amateur experts are saying wearing a mask is a good idea.

Does anyone really know?

In a word.......no!

[South Coast Miller]

Well said, Brin. Personally I tend to err on the safe side and still wear a mask on the rare occasions I venture into buildings, not because I am forced but because I feel on balance it's probably doing more good than harm. Despite what great_fire says (and having no love for this government) I have never really felt forced. Leant on, yes but the final decision has always been mine - so long as I accept the consequences of my behaviour. But then, that's the same for loads of things.

[CAMiller]

So what's everyone's take on losing their job if unvaccinated? I see it as simply another term of employment and people are free to comply or find another job. Isn't it just like hours of work, smoking and drug policies, conduct (with regards peoples' ***ual orientation/race/gender), companies set their policies and employees either follow them or go elsewhere (assuming they can find somewhere that will take them unvaccinated). We were given until October 18th to be fully vaccinated (didn't impact me as I was 'done' back in April) but many anti-vaccine folks are dissenting and up to 10,000 will be laid off from Monday in the state of WA.

[caytonmiller]

Yes I agree that the company has the right to set rules and regs but it's a tricky one once your employed. Will these people be able to get a job elsewhere or is it a government decision? Of it's not go element policy I can see the lawyers having a field day