O/T:- Palestine / Israel

[Magpies1959]

How wonderful to see all the demonstrations on the streets of our capital city, by people so concerned and passionate about their own state, that they don't even live there.

[Magpies1959]

OP67 so the answer is to just sit back and let Hamas pick off the Jews, and then they will become rational people all of a sudden. You cannot appease these sort of people. Lots of Palestinians bring their kids up to hate the Jews, this certainly doesn't happen the other way round.

I think if their is any good to come out of this, it might make the indigenous people of this country, more aware of the danger lying within our capital city, for the moment, but it is spreading to other towns and cities. Muslim mayors, and Labour councils reliant on the muslim vote.

[keldsyke]

I think we have to get on top of this ‘demonstrating’ in London before it gets even further out of control, although it won’t happen some people need to be made examples of and the law changing for accountability ie face coverings etc banning.

[ForeignLegion]

I think we have to get on top of this ‘demonstrating’ in London before it gets even further out of control, although it won’t happen some people need to be made examples of and the law changing for accountability ie face coverings etc banning.

Will never happen in a million years; the police stand by and watch as some nutter calls for jihad. Same Down Under; weak and pathetic.

[OP67]

OP67 so the answer is to just sit back and let Hamas pick off the Jews, and then they will become rational people all of a sudden. You cannot appease these sort of people. Lots of Palestinians bring their kids up to hate the Jews, this certainly doesn't happen the other way round.

I think if their is any good to come out of this, it might make the indigenous people of this country, more aware of the danger lying within our capital city, for the moment, but it is spreading to other towns and cities. Muslim mayors, and Labour councils reliant on the muslim vote.

So your answer is randomly bomb Gaza until it's completely flat and all it's innocent citizens are dead? Which is what Isreal want to do and have said as much. Even that will not stop Hamas, it'll just rise up again. Isreal has already killed 1000's of innocent people including many children. I don't know what the answer is but I'm against both Hamas and Isreal killing innocent people as they're doing.

[OchPie]

Lots of Palestinians bring their kids up to hate the Jews, this certainly doesn't happen the other way round.

If only the latter were true. A few moments on Israeli twitter would swiftly disabuse you of that notion.

One question I would like answered but cannot seem to find an answer for is, why do so many different Countries, religions, hate the Jews so much? What did they ever do to anyone?

Christopher Hitchens observed that the Jews rejected the message of both Jesus and Mohammed, of Church and of Mosque. That undoubtedly contributed.

That said, if it had been Buddhists who took land from the Palestinians to establish a state, and then spent decades keeping the Palestinians in a state of occupation, does anyone really think there wouldn't be a hatred of Buddhists?

The lack of peace, and Israeli occupation, undoubtedly drives hatred and conflation of "Israeli" and "Jewish" (not helped as Israel's current government moves towards abandoning the secular nature of the state).

[MarcusCole]

If only the latter were true. A few moments on Israeli twitter would swiftly disabuse you of that notion.



Christopher Hitchens observed that the Jews rejected the message of both Jesus and Mohammed, of Church and of Mosque. That undoubtedly contributed.

That said, if it had been Buddhists who took land from the Palestinians to establish a state, and then spent decades keeping the Palestinians in a state of occupation, does anyone really think there wouldn't be a hatred of Buddhists?

The lack of peace, and Israeli occupation, undoubtedly drives hatred and conflation of "Israeli" and "Jewish" (not helped as Israel's current government moves towards abandoning the secular nature of the state).

Plain antisemitism here.

The Jews contributed to their persecution because they stuck to their faith?

[OchPie]

Plain antisemitism here.

The Jews contributed to their persecution because they stuck to their faith?

I don't know where you got that impression but it certainly wasn't from anything I wrote. At no point did I say they "contributed to" anything. I explained why some other groups might have hated them simply for who they were.

What answer would you prefer to "why do so many different Countries, religions, hate the Jews so much? What did they ever do to anyone?"? My answer was clear that they didn't do anything to anyone, other than exist.

[countygump]

If only the latter were true. A few moments on Israeli twitter would swiftly disabuse you of that notion.
Christopher Hitchens observed that the Jews rejected the message of both Jesus and Mohammed, of Church and of Mosque. That undoubtedly contributed.

That said, if it had been Buddhists who took land from the Palestinians to establish a state, and then spent decades keeping the Palestinians in a state of occupation, does anyone really think there wouldn't be a hatred of Buddhists?

The lack of peace, and Israeli occupation, undoubtedly drives hatred and conflation of "Israeli" and "Jewish" (not helped as Israel's current government moves towards abandoning the secular nature of the state).

I thought that might one of the reasons. Judaism does not believe Christ to be the son of God, they believe he is a false prophet as there is only one God. Hence you can't have one in heaven and his son on earth. But Islam doesn't recognise him as the son of God either, though they do recognise him as a disciple of God, born of a miracle, (the virgin birth). But as you say, there are half a dozen other religions who do not recognise Jesus. I wondered if the crucifixion itself played a role in this age old "dislike" of the Jews. Though Pilate, (a Roman prefect), was responsible for his actual death, it was the high priest of Jerusalem, (Joseph Caiaphas, a Jew) who gave him up, as he prob saw Jesus as an agitator causing unrest.

[OchPie]

I thought that might one of the reasons. Judaism does not believe Christ to be the son of God, they believe he is a false prophet as there is only one God. Hence you can't have one in heaven and his son on earth. But Islam doesn't recognise him as the son of God either, though they do recognise him as a disciple of God, born of a miracle, (the virgin birth). But as you say, there are half a dozen other religions who do not recognise Jesus. I wondered if the crucifixion itself played a role in this age old "dislike" of the Jews. Though Pilate, (a Roman prefect), was responsible for his actual death, it was the high priest of Jerusalem, (Joseph Caiaphas, a Jew) who gave him up, as he prob saw Jesus as an agitator causing unrest.

Certainly the belief that Jews killed Jesus, and a underlying belief that all Jews forever were guilty of this(!), drove a lot of antisemitism in Christianity for centuries, from the earliest days of the church. Thankfully most Christians no longer hold such beliefs.

There's an entire wikipedia article about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide