O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[Lolmorgan]

He?s now writing for the wonderful Sun on Sunday news paper.

[Stansmate]

How long before he's on page 3?

Been plenty of T**S on there over the years

[frogmiller]

Starmer is willing to sacrifice our kids for his handlers!

As America tries to negotiate a starting point with Russia Starmer is offering up our troops as peace makers!

Even the European leaders are now laughing at him!

[ragingpup]

Starmer is willing to sacrifice our kids for his handlers!

As America tries to negotiate a starting point with Russia Starmer is offering up our troops as peace makers!

Even the European leaders are now laughing at him!

What do you want to see as an outcome in Ukraine? Trump says that he hopes he could conclude a deal that would mean Ukraine not having to concede "much land". Are you in agreement with Richard Tice's position in this interview then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWIY...channel=TalkTV

Trump appears to accept that he can reach a deal but Ukraine would have to concede some land, and halt it's request, as a European sovereign nation, to join Nato. So if you were a soveriegn Ukranian, wanting to exercise it's democratice right to protect it's borders and join whichever international organisations that your elected leaders wish to join, how would you respond to external countries both taking part of your territory and forbidding you to carry out an action you, as a sovereign nation, wish to undertake?

[frogmiller]

What do you want to see as an outcome in Ukraine? Trump says that he hopes he could conclude a deal that would mean Ukraine not having to concede "much land". Are you in agreement with Richard Tice's position in this interview then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWIY...channel=TalkTV

Trump appears to accept that he can reach a deal but Ukraine would have to concede some land, and halt it's request, as a European sovereign nation, to join Nato. So if you were a soveriegn Ukranian, wanting to exercise it's democratice right to protect it's borders and join whichever international organisations that your elected leaders wish to join, how would you respond to external countries both taking part of your territory and forbidding you to carry out an action you, as a sovereign nation, wish to undertake?

I haven't seen the interview so I am not aware of Richard Tice.

I want the war to stop! I want to stop paying for a war that could be stopped! I don't want my kids, your kids or anyone elses kids to die fighting in a war if it can be stopped!

You mean like Ireland?

[frogmiller]

Raging.

There is a lady who moved from the Ukraine to our village at the start of the war. She speaks Russia and we communicate through a translate app on her phone. I see her every other day on the dog walking ruit

She has a spring in her step now! She wants to go home!

[ragingpup]

I haven't seen the interview so I am not aware of Richard Tice.

I want the war to stop! I want to stop paying for a war that could be stopped! I don't want my kids, your kids or anyone elses kids to die fighting in a war if it can be stopped!

You mean like Ireland?

I'm sorry that you are having to pay some money in order to contribute to a fellow European sovereign country defending themselves from an autocratic dictatorship!

I would agree that if the Ukranian people, via their democratically elected leader, were happy to negotiate a settlement, that involved them losing X territory and were also happy to be barred from joining NATO, when all other European sovereign countries were able to do so, then I'd be happy for that to happen. But as it stands, the majority of the Ukrainian people, led by their democratically elected leader are showing no signs of wanting to do that. So, it looks like we have a choice (assuming Putin persists with his invasion): we either work with other European sovereign countries to find a way of defeating Russia so that our fellow European sovereign country regains it's own territory for it's people, or we withdraw completely and let Russia take as much of Ukraine as they like. And then of course, help himself to territories beyond there as we will have signalled that he is free to do so without intervention. I take it you're on the side of the latter?

Interesting comparison with Ireland, if we should want to go back to 12th century history to show comparables. I think a greater comparison was Hitler's plan to expand into Poland and Eastwards beyond to create the fabled German 'living space'. Thankfully, we stood up against that one.

[Beaufighter]

Seen lots of Starmer or Labour bashing going on here and around the net and it?s all so childishly pathetic. We had 14 years of the Tories. Five different Tory prime ministers, each and every one of which proved themselves to be various degrees of dishonest, incompetent, self serving d1ck4eads.

So I say, if everything written about Starmer and Labour is actually true, so what? Really, so fffing what? It can only be ?as bad? at worst. And there may be a very slim chance that a different approach may bring an improvement. No, I don?t hold much hope, but it is certain that the Tories aren?t fixing anything except their own bank balances.

[Brin]

Seen lots of Starmer or Labour bashing going on here and around the net and it?s all so childishly pathetic. We had 14 years of the Tories. Five different Tory prime ministers, each and every one of which proved themselves to be various degrees of dishonest, incompetent, self serving d1ck4eads.

So I say, if everything written about Starmer and Labour is actually true, so what? Really, so fffing what? It can only be ?as bad? at worst. And there may be a very slim chance that a different approach may bring an improvement. No, I don?t hold much hope, but it is certain that the Tories aren?t fixing anything except their own bank balances.

Beau, what the Tory lovies can't swallow is they were voted out by the General public based on what you say. They thought they were untouchable and could go on forever.

Does anyone think Starmer and Co brought in a magic wand and some fairy dust to turn it all around in an instant? It's going to take years to look anything like. The mass immigrants arriving isn't helping out economy at all. Get that sorted first!

[Lolmorgan]

Seen lots of Starmer or Labour bashing going on here and around the net and it?s all so childishly pathetic. We had 14 years of the Tories. Five different Tory prime ministers, each and every one of which proved themselves to be various degrees of dishonest, incompetent, self serving d1ck4eads.

So I say, if everything written about Starmer and Labour is actually true, so what? Really, so fffing what? It can only be ?as bad? at worst. And there may be a very slim chance that a different approach may bring an improvement. No, I don?t hold much hope, but it is certain that the Tories aren?t fixing anything except their own bank balances.

So that makes him right because what the Tories did, it?s like saying don?t sack S/E because who can we get better.Keep backing them without calling them out then & see how far we get.