Every day the vaccine rolls out

[VanDerHoorn]

This is an easy thing to say when your aren't faced with death yourself or that of a loved one when you know it could be prevented.

The same could be said about cancer patients who have missed treatments because of focus on covid. Or people who have committed suicide because their business/marriage/mental health has been destroyed by the lockdowns and restrictions.

It’s important that we are compassionate about preserving lives but the hyper focus on preventing covid deaths at all costs is the problem. There needs to be a rebalancing.

[arab777]

The same could be said about cancer patients who have missed treatments because of focus on covid. Or people who have committed suicide because their business/marriage/mental health has been destroyed by the lockdowns and restrictions.

It’s important that we are compassionate about preserving lives but the hyper focus on preventing covid deaths at all costs is the problem. There needs to be a rebalancing.

Obviously other patient care has suffered during the pandemic but if attention was more focused away from COVID the NHS could then be overwhelmed with COVID cases and staff absences. The more people end up in hospital due to COVID the more resources and beds are taken away from other priorities so it is not an either or. It is already a complex balancing act.

BTW like your user name. Great player.

[VanDerHoorn]

But there are 8008 in hospital uk wide as reported yesterday.

Yeah wrong numbers. Actually 6000 in hospital at the moment https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Whatever the number the principle is the same; instead of restrictions to keep the NHS at capacity it would be more logical to increase NHS capacity,

[Chick A Saw]

Yeah wrong numbers. Actually 6000 in hospital at the moment https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Whatever the number the principle is the same; instead of restrictions to keep the NHS at capacity it would be more logical to increase NHS capacity,

Bud, the figure you have quoted is a daily figure of admissions and the total number in hospital i am seeing is 8008, although it is the BBC that is reporting that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

I do agree with the principle of what you are getting at, but how do you increase capacity? It frustrates me when i hear politicians expecting someone to click their fingers and all of a sudden, all those Nurses and Doctors that have been trained over the years can magically turn up and set the equipment to work.

The harsh reality is that we only got through Wave 1 by releasing final year nurses early, retired ones coming back and cancelling the majority of all other activities. Now the NHS is still trying to operate as much as normal, it does not have as many final year nurses because their education has been interrupted, the retirees are split between the vaccine effort and retired again, and there has been so many nurses leaving that getting all the migrant nurses back would not put a dent in the shortfall!

[TerryTheTerror]

The same could be said about cancer patients who have missed treatments because of focus on covid.

Of course and in fact I know someone going through this that's worried about that exact thing.

Ultimately the NHS needs funded enough to cope with everything, it's the only way we will get back to what was normal before. The stupidity of Brexit really hasn't helped with this though (sorry to medium term at least).

For me it's stark. We boost the NHS to cope with this indefinitely or we need to live differently.

[TerryTheTerror]

Bud, the figure you have quoted is a daily figure of admissions and the total number in hospital i am seeing is 8008, although it is the BBC that is reporting that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

I do agree with the principle of what you are getting at, but how do you increase capacity? It frustrates me when i hear politicians expecting someone to click their fingers and all of a sudden, all those Nurses and Doctors that have been trained over the years can magically turn up and set the equipment to work.

The harsh reality is that we only got through Wave 1 by releasing final year nurses early, retired ones coming back and cancelling the majority of all other activities. Now the NHS is still trying to operate as much as normal, it does not have as many final year nurses because their education has been interrupted, the retirees are split between the vaccine effort and retired again, and there has been so many nurses leaving that getting all the migrant nurses back would not put a dent in the shortfall!

I think the point being made is one of policy not the practical details of how to do it. It won't be an easy thing and I don't think anyone is even suggesting that but it seems to me the only feasible way of regaining the normality we once knew.

[GUNBOAT]

In the mail this morning an invitation for my 4th jag in early January!.There really isna any end to this is there?.

[Chick A Saw]

I think the point being made is one of policy not the practical details of how to do it. It won't be an easy thing and I don't think anyone is even suggesting that but it seems to me the only feasible way of regaining the normality we once knew.

I dont understand what you are getting at?

Ive replied regarding bed capacity increase which is a drift from the posters original point. I would love to see the beds that are already there being used for everyone needing Covid care and all the operations that people require, but the manpower is simply not there.

If you are on about changing policy with the way we are living our lives just now, i hope you have picked up that i think the current restrictions are a massive over-reaction and believe to a point that we need to be growing these bigger baws and living our lives to the extent that we can.

People need to get vaccinated as that is keeping people out of hospital and reducing transmission. If you are unlucky enough to go to hospital, there is an anti-viral drug available that may be a game changer. So i dont think there needs to be a policy change, i just think those in power need to loose this tendency to over-react, and as far as i hate the idea, do something about those that are gambling by not taking the vaccine!

[Shedboy1971]

I dont understand what you are getting at?

Ive replied regarding bed capacity increase which is a drift from the posters original point. I would love to see the beds that are already there being used for everyone needing Covid care and all the operations that people require, but the manpower is simply not there.

If you are on about changing policy with the way we are living our lives just now, i hope you have picked up that i think the current restrictions are a massive over-reaction and believe to a point that we need to be growing these bigger baws and living our lives to the extent that we can.

People need to get vaccinated as that is keeping people out of hospital and reducing transmission. If you are unlucky enough to go to hospital, there is an anti-viral drug available that may be a game changer. So i dont think there needs to be a policy change, i just think those in power need to loose this tendency to over-react, and as far as i hate the idea, do something about those that are gambling by not taking the vaccine!

I would like to see critical care such as cancer being prioritised and not consistently threatened. Maybe if the nhs money didnt goto admin management with no medical experience and to where it should go that would help eventually. Dare i say it hospitals are quieter than normal at this time of year. Now COVID is a bvgger or at least was, this variant is now being described as similar to cold symptoms. Not for unvaccinated (many much younger than previous issues).

Its bizare that wee burnie cancels everything just enough without furlough that it basically is made without real scientific evidence. Unfathomable regulations designed to confuse and unfortunately tear us from any will to make us go out in general and make it a lockdown by stealth. Pubs, restaurants, theatres etc are going to go under - for what?

scunnered as many have said - i was 100% for initial lockdowns having been very ill myself. Now it just feels like a power game between politicans and to follow the welsh just to spite the english is fvcking bizarre. Indeed we all know nics c0ck is bigger than boris's but Ive had enough. I am so mad i could crush a grape.

[Shedboy1971]

Working from home i endorse (as im a lazy bast4rd) but GB cant work from home and in fact basically works in open air no contacts yet if someone that knows someone that knows alan mghee quite well who once waved at GB means he has to isolate. Fvcking nanny state - hope business is ok GB you can wash my windows any time