O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[BanjoPie]

i can't think of a worse team although one of my (ex) mates coming off the walking football floor said to me 'i think rees-mogg would make the best pm now.' 'have intercourse elsewhere' i advised him.
Starmer remains the best option with rayner, nandy, phillips, reeves, milliband and lammy providing back-up.

"just fell off me chair laughing"

[i961pie]

"just fell off me chair laughing"

😂😂

[OP67]

starmer remains the best option with potty mouth rayner, nandy, phillips, reeves, milliband and lammy providing back-up.

That made me chuckle loads

[TheBlackHorse]

... is Sidders going for a new role as most woke comedian ... to be fair, he's always been on the Starmer wagon. If Bojo got anything right recently, at least he called the startled rabbit what he is - a lawyer not a leader. Lawyers can only work to rules and don't need to think 'outside the box'. If lawyers were banned from Parliament (as they used to be, apparently) we might get this country moving ... oh well ...

[jackal2]

Starmer remains the best option with Rayner, Nandy, Phillips, Reeves, Milliband and Lammy providing back-up.

Irrespective of their political views I've got a grudging regard for the abilities of Nandy and Phillips, but the rest of them have nothing to offer. For a man who wants to portray himself as a man of political principle and integrity, Starmer spent a hell of a long time serving in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet despite having made it very clear since that he didn't agree with the direction Corbyn was taking the party.

[sidders]

"just fell off me chair laughing"

I understand where you're coming from, Banjo. I mean, Rees Mogg as PM!

[sidders]

Irrespective of their political views I've got a grudging regard for the abilities of Nandy and Phillips, but the rest of them have nothing to offer. For a man who wants to portray himself as a man of political principle and integrity, Starmer spent a hell of a long time serving in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet despite having made it very clear since that he didn't agree with the direction Corbyn was taking the party.

One thing I can assure you, J2, is that there will be plenty in the present cabinet lusting for power and slagging off their current leader in time to come.
Because he was in Corbyn's shadow cabinet never meant Starmer agreed with his leader lock, stock and barrel. By taking on a shadow cabinet role he was in a learning capacity and positioning himself for a chance of leadership. It's not pretty but it's politics.

[jackal2]

One thing I can assure you, J2, is that there will be plenty in the present cabinet lusting for power and slagging off their current leader in time to come.

Because he was in Corbyn's shadow cabinet never meant Starmer agreed with his leader lock, stock and barrel. By taking on a shadow cabinet role he was in a learning capacity and positioning himself for a chance of leadership. It's not pretty but it's politics.

I don't disagree with you, and I'm sure Keir Starmer's explanation would be exactly as you've described if the media ever challenged him on the matter, but this is why politics generally is in such a vacuous state. Ask most of them (in all of the major parties) these days to identify the core political principles and beliefs they wouldn't be willing to sacrifice under any circumstances, and you would get a blank look or even a smirk.

[BigFatPie]

Irrespective of their political views I've got a grudging regard for the abilities of Nandy and Phillips, but the rest of them have nothing to offer. For a man who wants to portray himself as a man of political principle and integrity, Starmer spent a hell of a long time serving in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet despite having made it very clear since that he didn't agree with the direction Corbyn was taking the party.

The notion that a party leader can’t have been in the previous leader’s cabinet is an er interesting one.

[jackal2]

The notion that a party leader can’t have been in the previous leader’s cabinet is an er interesting one.

We're not talking about subtle differences between Corbyn and Starmer. Keir Starmer has fallen over himself to signal a completely different direction for the Labour Party compared with Corbyn, hence why Starmer is now completely loathed by the Momentum crowd. Presumably there were a number of occasions when Starmer sat in the Shadow Cabinet and vehemently disagreed with Corbyn, but Keir obviously decided that keeping shtum and remaining in the Shadow Cabinet would put him in a better position to advance his career, which indeed it did. As sidders says, Starmer played the unpretty political game to his own benefit, and he can quite reasonably point out that many/most other politicians in the major parties are doing the same, but none of them – Starmer included - are in a position to claim the moral high ground on honour, integrity and principle.