O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[BigFatPie]

Irrespective of their political views I've got a grudging regard for the abilities of Nandy and Phillips, but the rest of them have nothing to offer. For a man who wants to portray himself as a man of political principle and integrity, Starmer spent a hell of a long time serving in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet despite having made it very clear since that he didn't agree with the direction Corbyn was taking the party.

The notion that a party leader can’t have been in the previous leader’s cabinet is an er interesting one.

[jackal2]

The notion that a party leader can’t have been in the previous leader’s cabinet is an er interesting one.

We're not talking about subtle differences between Corbyn and Starmer. Keir Starmer has fallen over himself to signal a completely different direction for the Labour Party compared with Corbyn, hence why Starmer is now completely loathed by the Momentum crowd. Presumably there were a number of occasions when Starmer sat in the Shadow Cabinet and vehemently disagreed with Corbyn, but Keir obviously decided that keeping shtum and remaining in the Shadow Cabinet would put him in a better position to advance his career, which indeed it did. As sidders says, Starmer played the unpretty political game to his own benefit, and he can quite reasonably point out that many/most other politicians in the major parties are doing the same, but none of them – Starmer included - are in a position to claim the moral high ground on honour, integrity and principle.

[BigFatPie]

We're not talking about subtle differences between Corbyn and Starmer. Keir Starmer has fallen over himself to signal a completely different direction for the Labour Party compared with Corbyn, hence why Starmer is now completely loathed by the Momentum crowd. Presumably there were a number of occasions when Starmer sat in the Shadow Cabinet and vehemently disagreed with Corbyn, but Keir obviously decided that keeping shtum and remaining in the Shadow Cabinet would put him in a better position to advance his career, which indeed it did. As sidders says, Starmer played the unpretty political game to his own benefit, and he can quite reasonably point out that many/most other politicians in the major parties are doing the same, but none of them – Starmer included - are in a position to claim the moral high ground on honour, integrity and principle.

C’mon Jackal you must even know yourself that’s desperate stuff. Trying the old ‘they’re all the same’ line, because the current Labour leader happened to be from a different wing of the party than the previous one? Brown hated Blair, but he was still his chancellor for 10 years and no one, not even a Tory said Brown lacked integrity when he took over.

Starmer is in no way comparable to a man whose entire career has been built on lies and self interest.