Player Ratings v Brentford

[AngryRam]

Just like Eustace stopped Forest scoring... Oh no, he was out of position.

Nothing with Eustace is nailed on mate.. Even die hard Eustace fan club members must know that.

There's a reason why Eustace is on 4 bookings and has committed more fouls than anybody else in the Derby team and that is because one way or another Eustace protects the back four. The figures support that. [/quote]

That backs up what I said. Out of position, struggling to get back, giving away needless bookings.

[Rapid]

Just like Eustace stopped Forest scoring... Oh no, he was out of position.

yes on that one occasion, just like that. in 2 games omar did just that on Saturday and even worse against Fulham! so by what's commonly known as 'ella's law' give me eustaces ratio of 1 per 10 games or so over omar's 2 in a week!

[swaledale]

I guess Steve's trying to rest Eustace for harder games coming up, same with Hughes, he must be conscious that injuries and fitness needs to be managed, plus players like Mascarell need game time to learn and fit into the squad - we do seem to expect players and young ones at that to just slip into the sqaud and play like they have been there for the last 10 games or so, even top quality footballers find that hard!

We dont know why Hughes was rested, he may be carrying a knock, coaches have to make decisions based on what they know about a players fitness etc and of course it does not always come off.

[AngryRam]

Just like Eustace stopped Forest scoring... Oh no, he was out of position.

yes on that one occasion, just like that. in 2 games omar did just that on Saturday and even worse against Fulham! so by what's commonly known as 'ella's law' give me eustaces ratio of 1 per 10 games or so over omar's 2 in a week![/quote]

Oh come on, you can't surely want to play that game.
We can't measure error for error we would go round in circles. Even Ella's law would have to start with a minute/game ratio. How do you allow for Omar being in the right place and making an error and John being 20 yards out of position and not being able to make an error.

[blackandwhite56]

The incovenient truth is that neither Omar nor Eustace are good enough to meet the standards set by Thorne.
However, Omar will not learn or adjust to the role if he is sitting on the bench. He has the potential to improve , whereas selection of Eustace comes along with accepting his slow pace and the consequences of that.

So do we go for the lesser risk of Eustace with his limitations or take the risk and hope that Omar can adjust his play? Given the fact that some other players seem a bit off form its not an easy decision to make.

Tuesday or Saturday Eustace will get booked again and Omar will have to play.

[Rapid]

Just like Eustace stopped Forest scoring... Oh no, he was out of position.

yes on that one occasion, just like that. in 2 games omar did just that on Saturday and even worse against Fulham! so by what's commonly known as 'ella's law' give me eustaces ratio of 1 per 10 games or so over omar's 2 in a week![/quote]

Oh come on, you can't surely want to play that game.
We can't measure error for error we would go round in circles. Even Ella's law would have to start with a minute/game ratio. How do you allow for Omar being in the right place and making an error and John being 20 yards out of position and not being able to make an error.
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the thing about our team with the exception of martin and forsyth, is that if anyone isn't performing then an almost equally good replacement will come in.

hughes had an absent 45 minutes against wi

[su4eranio]

Firsty, good write-up Rapid. I only listened to the game on RD - sounded like we dominated most of first half, but not so in the second

On the Eust/Omar debate - its an interesting one this. Having seen Omar at Blackpool and Fulham, I was pretty impressed with his performances, even considering his error at Craven Cottage. He certainly shows more demand for the ball than Eust which helps our passing game

However, what Eust does do is protect the CB's and organises. You have to place a value on his leadership skills as well as his own direct contribution to games. I can only say that it cannot all be down to coincidence that when Eust plays, our results are generally better.

I think some of our troubles are coming from inconsistency of wide players. Dawks a world beater against Fulham, but back to old self against Brentford. Also sounds like JR was less effective too on Saturday, along with much of the midfield. For me, we have had 2 midfielders who have had real consistency

[Rapid]

On the Eust/Omar debate - its an interesting one this. Having seen Omar at Blackpool and Fulham, I was pretty impressed with his performances, even considering his error at Craven Cottage. He certainly shows more demand for the ball than Eust which helps our passing game

absolutely. he likes to get on the ball no doubt. my argument is that we've got 2 centre backs that can pass the ball. anyone remember those spanking 50 yarders bucko used to dish out every game? with omar in the team he does most of that, which in some respects can be counter productive. if we had spencer prior and Darren moore as centre backs we'd absolutely need omar to distribute, but not with bucko an Keogh imo.

like you say, a lot of what Eustace does is intangible. every time he blocks someone on the edge of the box it goes down as a good tackle, nothing more but what happens if they'd have ran through and scored? we'd never know if they would.

also