Atmosphere In English Football

[Stimaclegend]

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I think the seating thing is a red herring as I've been to all seater stadiums with amazing atmosphere. I think it is down to traditions and passion and what's happening on the field.

I actually seen some terraces recently with mo fences or crush barriers. Big ones and the fans going nuts and none gets hurt or does. You are right it's the fences caused that at hillsboro and now it's an excuse. It is a nany state and when people do stand and sing there is an over reaction. That is contributing.

Yes, but when you talk about the 70s, 80s even 90s and passion, you forget we had a major hooliganism problem.

The fact is if we are going to stoke passions, you'll end up with a lot of fights and possibly racial abuse and will see clubs punished left right and centre.

Pricing is too high - look at Germany for instance, a 5 - 10 euro ticket for a Bundesliga ticket is very normal.

But TV

[ramspride]

I think the seating thing is a red herring as I've been to all seater stadiums with amazing atmosphere. I think it is down to traditions and passion and what's happening on the field.

I actually seen some terraces recently with mo fences or crush barriers. Big ones and the fans going nuts and none gets hurt or does. You are right it's the fences caused that at hillsboro and now it's an excuse. It is a nany state and when people do stand and sing there is an over reaction. That is contributing.

Yes, but when you talk about the 70s, 80s even 90s and passion, you forget we had a major hooliganism problem.

The fact is if we are going to stoke passions, you'll end up with a lot of fights and possibly racial abuse and will see clubs punished left right and centre.

Pricing is too high - look at Germany for instance, a 5 - 10 euro ticke

[madram96]

I have been going since 2002,although I was only 5 I can remember that the place used to be dead, you could hear a pin drop throughout the game, and I used to be told stories of how great the BBG was and how I've missed out. But I have to say the atmosphere has improved gradually since then and no I think its the best its been, at the ipro anyway, shame the same cant be said for other clubs.

[Toggles]

People are used to being able to pick and choose their entertainment to suit their desires. Multi-channel tv, internet, box sets, huge choice of sports from around the globe. People can guarantee that their spare time can be tailored to their enjoyment. Going to watch a sports event is a risk. It could be awful. The next generation of potential fans may be less likely to go to games on the 'off chance' of being entertained, when they can choose from myriad other entertainments that will definitely satisfy. therefore unless the game is a classic, or of massive importance, there is less desire to enjoy the game as the highlight of your week, and make the most of it because you can instantly do something else to fill any enjoyment deficit.

I think, also, that there is generally less of a sense of togetherness around nowadays. People are more into themselves than taking pride/intertest in their community/city than ever before. Watching decent football is more important than suppor

[AngryRam]

It's what it is nowadays, unless the bubble bursts soon we are stuck with this plastic manufactured product that we call football.
I preferred the 70s and 80s but I guess that was when I was most engaged with the game. As a younger man I loved the buzz of matchday right from getting to the ground to getting back to the station in one piece. The game had mavericks who regardless of team, you watched in awe.. Worthington, Curry, Bowles, Marsh the list goes on.
Things move on, as much as I would like to, we don't burn witches anymore. Yes safe standing would be a must for me but it's not the sole reason the match day experience is flat. I seriously think we just don't enjoy it as much... In days gone by the pressure of success was not as big.. We lost, we were upset of course, but it was not then end of the world... Now ever single piece is dissected to the enth degree, radio phone ins.. TV cameras watching every single second of every match... Pressure everywhere.. Media overkill.
There

[Rattea]

I don't think there have been as many threads that have made me think this much in a long time.

Stimaclegend yes its different going down terraced streets to a game makes a massive difference I so miss that.

Toggles have to agree with you on that. Cracking point about watch decent football than supporting your team yet as others have said the more flowing if harder football created the atmosphere so both those one taking away the other I think is killing it!

Big one is the hooliganism although I have sampled amazing atmosphere at other sport that don't suffer from it such as Rugby, NFL, NHL etc. But having said that the place I sampled the best is known as the Harvard of Hooliganism so I think there may be something in that especially with Angry reminding me about the 'adventure' of getting in and out safely. Especially Millwall, Blackpool, Cardiff and West Ham! When you think about it most of the places they say now have the best atmospheres are like that, South America, Turkey, E

[FindernRam]

Interesting article on this subject in the Daily express today. Covers many of our points but also says we are more sophisticated and appreciative so soak up the event rather than yelling all the time.
I imagine a bit like going to the Opera and waiting till the end to clap.

Not that I have ever been, but I though I'd bring a little culture to this board

[AngryRam]

Interesting article on this subject in the Daily express today. Covers many of our points but also says we are more sophisticated and appreciative so soak up the event rather than yelling all the time.
I imagine a bit like going to the Opera and waiting till the end to clap.

Not that I have ever been, but I though I'd bring a little culture to this board

I do the culture round here...
I can see you not lasting

[triz]

[quote="steviejay"]It's been very nota able in the last 10 years in English football at all levels. It was probably signalled when Keane branded the manure fan the Prawn Sandwich Brigade. Been a topic of debate at Derby but I know from fans of other clubs I speak to that its the same at those clubs.

I've not sampled anything like I did in the 80s and 90s except in the very important games like play offs or against the red dogs and they have even dipped now.

It has made me wonder what the cause is. Is it the raise in prices and over commercialisation of the PL? Have the old school traditional supporters got old and calmed down and gone quiet? Is it those younger fans coming through spend most of their childhood following PL teams and lack the passion? Is it the raise of the corporate side of the game? All seater stadiums although this hasn't blighted other countries?

It has to be something because it's a univer

[Toggles]

[quote="triz"]It's been very nota able in the last 10 years in English football at all levels. It was probably signalled when Keane branded the manure fan the Prawn Sandwich Brigade. Been a topic of debate at Derby but I know from fans of other clubs I speak to that its the same at those clubs.

I've not sampled anything like I did in the 80s and 90s except in the very important games like play offs or against the red dogs and they have even dipped now.

It has made me wonder what the cause is. Is it the raise in prices and over commercialisation of the PL? Have the old school traditional supporters got old and calmed down and gone quiet? Is it those younger fans coming through spend most of their childhood following PL teams and lack the passion? Is it the raise of the corporate side of the game? All seater stadiums although this hasn't blighted other countries?

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