Should he stay...or should he go now?

[ramAnag]

He won't go until the summer.

1. They will let it die down, with him getting all the flak
2. They will give him the chance to "honourably"(SAID LOOSELY) stand down/ or a coup will oust him like Thatcher
3. The new front runner, will have a cleaner run, not having to clear away his troubles.

A long way till the next election and when you think about it, all poltical parties try to look more generous before election times. So a newcomer, has a safer run

My opinion anyway

Which of these ‘troubles’ do you imagine will be ‘cleared away’, Tricky.

The highest Covid death figures in Europe.
The cost of living crisis/Inflation.
The fuel crisis.
The increasing instability in N.I which is entirely attributable to Brexit and Johnson’s distortion of what the consequences of Brexit would be for that part of the UK.
The fact that he has repeatedly lied and broken his own Government’s rules before resorting to the most pitiful excuses imaginable.

Maybe the last one...if he goes.

[MadAmster]

Which of these ‘troubles’ do you imagine will be ‘cleared away’, Tricky.

The highest Covid death figures in Europe.
The cost of living crisis/Inflation.
The fuel crisis.
The increasing instability in N.I which is entirely attributable to Brexit and Johnson’s distortion of what the consequences of Brexit would be for that part of the UK.
The fact that he has repeatedly lied and broken his own Government’s rules before resorting to the most pitiful excuses imaginable.

Maybe the last one...if he goes.

... or announcing that hitting the poorest the most by going ahead with the NIC increases in April?

... or announcing huge tax breaks for banks and others?

[Trickytreesreds]

Which of these ‘troubles’ do you imagine will be ‘cleared away’, Tricky.

The highest Covid death figures in Europe.
The cost of living crisis/Inflation.
The fuel crisis.
The increasing instability in N.I which is entirely attributable to Brexit and Johnson’s distortion of what the consequences of Brexit would be for that part of the UK.
The fact that he has repeatedly lied and broken his own Government’s rules before resorting to the most pitiful excuses imaginable.

Maybe the last one...if he goes.

Well, I'm not the politician, if I was all of them. But as you like to say, it isn't that simple is it?

COVID figures? You know my feelings on that. They are not being recorded fairly and that is probably true in many countries.
I was reading an interesting one yesterday(off track sorry), about a prisoner from HMP Nottingham who dies at the city hospital.
Being treated & death have been recorded as 1a Covid pneumonitis, 1b exacerbation congestive heart failure, and 2 metastasis prostate cancer. He was 87!!
Guess what his death will go down as?

Cost of living? Don't get me started, there are many reasons for that. I told you before all this confetti money for COVID was going to bite us on the ASS. Lots of it was wasted, granted, but the incessant lock downs and satying at home for a sniffle has a price.
You was firmly in the stay at home camp, now you're moaning?

Fuel crisis? Do you mean gas?
Well again, where do I start? EU countries snuggling up to Putin and now supplies have stock problems? I blame our government for not being selfish and snagging our own production for internal use, but that is about it. We import 3% of Putins gas. Germany - 40%
I also blame, the buckling in to the GREEN brigade, where you and I pay 34% on our bills to sunsidise this monstosity, that is no where near ready to replace conventional energy. Easily fixed, by getting your prioitys right

NI? Time we stopped pissing about and got tough. The EU has agitated NI from day one, in an attempt to keep a grip on the UK.
They were even rumbled saying so. Yes i KNOW, you don't believe anything unless it's in the Guardian. https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...nd-latest-news
It doesn't have to be complicated, the EU make it so. There is an element backing Barniers tactics here as well, as a Brexit cancel excuse.


The lying/rule breaking- well Johnson has to answer for it. He was in charge and like I said, he will go in the summer.

I'm afraid RA, you are doing the nornal thing, of turning everything into the TORIES did it.
COVID has messed up economies everywhere. You was firmly in the lock it all down camp. Do not come squealing now about costs.
Now you will see the reverse hurt, as people suffer in many other ways, or die from lack of treatment.

BTW you wanted Trump gone in the same way. It seems Biden is now firmly being given the label of worst president ever in the USA. But all the Trump haters have gone very quiet.

Politics is a fickle thing isn't it?

[MadAmster]

trump haters gone quiet, for now, as he is, in the short term, an irrelevance until the circus that is the US Presidential primaries begin to loom. By then he'll have his very own "social media" platform to vent his crap on and will block anybody who dares to contradict or even just disagree with his abysmal thoughts.

Over here in NL land we are now being treated to hospitalisation stats 2.0 - currently we have around 1250 people in hospital who have Covid. What they are telling us, starting with ta latest figures is that 1/3 of those now in a Covid ward (to keep them away from people who don't have Covid) entered hospital for something entirely different and were found to also have Covid when tested. These are people with anything from a broken leg to cancer to heart/lung/kidney etc issues.

Basically the number of infected people for whom Covid is their primary reason for being in hospital is around 800 and falling. In 12 days time we have our next Covid press conference when we'll learn whether we are to get a further relaxation of Covid measures or if the current situation will continue, as originally planned, for a further 3 weeks.

I sincerely hope that we get a further relaxation and that one of those is we no longer need to have negative tests prior to returning home from the UK. I was over Saturday to Tuesday and needed a day 2 test and a fit to fly. The day 2 test had to be no later than midnight on Monday and the Fit to fly no earlier than 11:00 on Monday. I chose 14:00. The 2 tests are exactly the same lateral flow test. Same kit, same everything. I had to have both. The only difference is that one comes back with the results and is labelled Day 2, the other is labelled fit to fly. One other difference, day 2 costs a fiver and fit to fly £29. Both came back negative so I was OK to fly.

[MadAmster]

Before leaving NL I checked with the UK government whether the need for 2 tests was right or could I simply take the one to fit, timewise, both requirements. No I couldn't they said. IMO a £5 day 2 test would have been enough.

[ramAnag]

Well, I'm not the politician, if I was all of them. But as you like to say, it isn't that simple is it?

COVID figures? You know my feelings on that. They are not being recorded fairly and that is probably true in many countries.
I was reading an interesting one yesterday(off track sorry), about a prisoner from HMP Nottingham who dies at the city hospital.
Being treated & death have been recorded as 1a Covid pneumonitis, 1b exacerbation congestive heart failure, and 2 metastasis prostate cancer. He was 87!!
Guess what his death will go down as?

Cost of living? Don't get me started, there are many reasons for that. I told you before all this confetti money for COVID was going to bite us on the ASS. Lots of it was wasted, granted, but the incessant lock downs and satying at home for a sniffle has a price.
You was firmly in the stay at home camp, now you're moaning?

Fuel crisis? Do you mean gas?
Well again, where do I start? EU countries snuggling up to Putin and now supplies have stock problems? I blame our government for not being selfish and snagging our own production for internal use, but that is about it. We import 3% of Putins gas. Germany - 40%
I also blame, the buckling in to the GREEN brigade, where you and I pay 34% on our bills to sunsidise this monstosity, that is no where near ready to replace conventional energy. Easily fixed, by getting your prioitys right

NI? Time we stopped pissing about and got tough. The EU has agitated NI from day one, in an attempt to keep a grip on the UK.
They were even rumbled saying so. Yes i KNOW, you don't believe anything unless it's in the Guardian. https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...nd-latest-news
It doesn't have to be complicated, the EU make it so. There is an element backing Barniers tactics here as well, as a Brexit cancel excuse.


The lying/rule breaking- well Johnson has to answer for it. He was in charge and like I said, he will go in the summer.

I'm afraid RA, you are doing the nornal thing, of turning everything into the TORIES did it.
COVID has messed up economies everywhere. You was firmly in the lock it all down camp. Do not come squealing now about costs.
Now you will see the reverse hurt, as people suffer in many other ways, or die from lack of treatment.

BTW you wanted Trump gone in the same way. It seems Biden is now firmly being given the label of worst president ever in the USA. But all the Trump haters have gone very quiet.

Politics is a fickle thing isn't it?

Hang on, ‘turning everything into the TORIES did it’? Okay...as far as Covid is concerned...that’s been unprecedented and is probably at 1-1 in terms of, worst death figures in Europe (no hiding from that) vs did well on the vaccine roll out (I’ve always acknowledged that).
As for everything else...ask yourself which Party has been in charge, three dreadful PM’s later, for the last (very nearly) dozen years.

Regarding Trump...MA has already explained perfectly. Trump haters have gone quiet because the object of their dislike has himself been silent.
Personally I don’t rate Biden at all...never have done, but he still appears as a blessed relief after the most divisive and insane Potus ever.

[Andy_Faber]

worst death figures in Europe

Almost. 16th worst

[Trickytreesreds]

Hang on, ‘turning everything into the TORIES did it’? Okay...as far as Covid is concerned...that’s been unprecedented and is probably at 1-1 in terms of, worst death figures in Europe (no hiding from that) vs did well on the vaccine roll out (I’ve always acknowledged that).
As for everything else...ask yourself which Party has been in charge, three dreadful PM’s later, for the last (very nearly) dozen years.

Regarding Trump...MA has already explained perfectly. Trump haters have gone quiet because the object of their dislike has himself been silent.
Personally I don’t rate Biden at all...never have done, but he still appears as a blessed relief after the most divisive and insane Potus ever.

Well your opinion is yours and valid.
It seems the American public now think he;s the biggest lemon they've voted in.
Only 33% of yanks are happy with the economy and his ratings are falling as fast as he falls asleep. Please feel free to compare that to Trumps handling of the economy.
Your personal feeling of a divisive Potus are yours.
Yet 54% of Americans brand him as the worst president they ever had.
A mannequin wouldn't say anything controversial, neither would it put food on the table and do whats right for the country.
But hey, that's my opinion. Just be careful who you would want in Johnsons place, over here.

[ramAnag]

Almost. 16th worst

Hmmm. I’m sure there’s some sort of evasive semantic argument coming from you here but, the last time I looked...157,409 made us the 7th highest in the World and the highest in Europe. Those are figures I struggle to be proud of.

P.S. Tricky...I take your point and it has occurred to me that all that is keeping him in post is the abject assortment of possible alternatives. I mean Truss, Raab, Gove and Patel. God help us!

[Andy_Faber]

Hmmm. I’m sure there’s some sort of semantic argument coming from you here but, the last time I looked...157,409 made us the 7th highest in the World and the highest in Europe. Those are figures I struggle to be proud of.

Not semantics, just a fact on a per capita basis. I'll take a lesson on geography, some of these may not be Europe but on a per capita basis UK has a lower death rate than Bulgaria, Boznia/Herzegovina, Hungary, North Macedonia, Georgia, Moldova, Chechia, Croatia, Slovakia, Rumania, Lithuania, Slovenia, Poland, Latvia, Belgium, Italy and Ukraine and its actually 19th not 16th. Tragic as every death is, absolute numbers are irrelevant as a measure of success in managing the pandemic, size has to be recognised