O/T. All these strikes

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Brin it seems to me the question of the NHS requires some grownups to come to the fore and have an honest conversation with the public .

Truth is no bugga dare come straight out and say that unless taxes go up we can't run it effectively .

The Tories will run it in to the ground on an ideological ticket and Labour will invent expensive buy now pay tomorrow schemes so as not to trouble the voting taxpayer .

There has to be some sort of third way solution where we have to pay for some things but not entirely .

The NHS is a sort of club, people pay into it and eventually take something out of it. But when more take out than contribute to it the system collapses. Shows the folly of “ inviting” people into the country and hence the “ NHS club” that take out without ever putting anything in.

[MillerBill]

The NHS is a sort of club, people pay into it and eventually take something out of it. But when more take out than contribute to it the system collapses. Shows the folly of “ inviting” people into the country and hence the “ NHS club” that take out without ever putting anything in.

The cost of translators at the NHS in the year 2019 - 2020 was 66 million.Yes £66,000,000 paid out for patients who needed translation services.

[great_fire]

The NHS is a sort of club, people pay into it and eventually take something out of it. But when more take out than contribute to it the system collapses. Shows the folly of “ inviting” people into the country and hence the “ NHS club” that take out without ever putting anything in.

It's run of behalf of the staff now, patients are a nuisance to them.

[mygiddypant]

Usual Daily Mail stuff on here. Well done chaps, keep up the good work!

[Elite_Pie]

Cayton, how could you possibly thin the nursing line? They are already 40,000 under staffed. Midwifery 20,000 under staffed.

If you want a reality check on what hard working people are asking for, ask why people aren’t entering the nursing profession. My Nephews Wife is a manageress of McDonalds covering any one of three branches and she earns 30k+

My daughter is currently in her final 3rd year at Sheffield Hallam Uni studying to graduate to be a Childrens paediatric neo natal nurse. In all the time she has worked her 12 hour shifts on placement, she didn’t and still doesn’t get paid a 1 pence piece!
That’s right, nothing, zilch, zip f. uck all!!

When she qualifies she will start on 23k a year. She will have £200 a month parking fees. Have to pay £120 to the nursing body in order to be registered.
And let’s not forget the £30,000 of debt she owes to the Uni to be trained.

Now ask yourself why people don’t want to become a caring, passionate, considerate warm beautiful human being my daughter is. She deserves a badge as big as a dustbin lid!

Hello again Brin, couldn't agree with your post more and it seems we are in a similar situation. My youngest daughter is a newly qualified nurse who earns £27,000 per annum but has a £27,000 uni debt to repay for the privilege. She was on the picket line a couple of days ago but their protest was about safe staffing rather than pay. They are often being asked to do the jobs of two people due to chronic staff shortages and their main gripe isn't money, it's about being unable to do their job properly. Please don't lump them in with train drivers and postal workers, their case is very different.

As we grow older we are more likely to need the NHS. Be warned, if you don't support them now, there might not be an NHS when it's your turn.

[Brin]

Hello again Brin, couldn't agree with your post more and it seems we are in a similar situation. My youngest daughter is a newly qualified nurse who earns £27,000 per annum but has a £27,000 uni debt to repay for the privilege. She was on the picket line a couple of days ago but their protest was about safe staffing rather than pay. They are often being asked to do the jobs of two people due to chronic staff shortages and their main gripe isn't money, it's about being unable to do their job properly. Please don't lump them in with train drivers and postal workers, their case is very different.

As we grow older we are more likely to need the NHS. Be warned, if you don't support them now, there might not be an NHS when it's your turn.

Hello a long lost friend who hasn’t posted on here for ages. Nice to hear from you buddy. Trust you and yours are well.

You’re completely right. Our future is the NHS but we are slowly sinking to a two tier system where the Tories and Kier Starmer , a poor man’s Tory, wants to see a privatised health system like the USA!

[great_fire]

As we grow older we are more likely to need the NHS. Be warned, if you don't support them now, there might not be an NHS when it's your turn.

I don't want an NHS, it's terrible and it doesn't work, it's one of the worst health services in the Western world, with terrible cancer outcomes.

I want the European Bismarck model or the Australian National Insurance system.

[Elite_Pie]

Hello a long lost friend who hasn’t posted on here for ages.

Yeah, we have moved in different directions since those days, and your direction has been much better than ours!

Saying that, I still celebrate a goal against Maidstone United as much as I did a goal against Manchester United all those years ago.

[avondalemiller]

Hello again Brin, couldn't agree with your post more and it seems we are in a similar situation. My youngest daughter is a newly qualified nurse who earns £27,000 per annum but has a £27,000 uni debt to repay for the privilege. She was on the picket line a couple of days ago but their protest was about safe staffing rather than pay. They are often being asked to do the jobs of two people due to chronic staff shortages and their main gripe isn't money, it's about being unable to do their job properly. Please don't lump them in with train drivers and postal workers, their case is very different.

As we grow older we are more likely to need the NHS. Be warned, if you don't support them now, there might not be an NHS when it's your turn.

Pie pal, this being asked to do 2 persons jobs has cropped up over many years. if you can do 2 peoples jobs at the same time, then there wasn't 2 jobs in the 1st place. A HGV driver can't drive 2 lorries can he? Turning it around the 2 people doing the jobs must have been doing FA some of the time?
The Uni debt is the same for any job after Uni? Not just for Nursing profession.

[LincsMiller]

Regarding Nurses and university. I’ve often wondered why it’s deemed necessary for the modern nurse to attend uni , previously nurses did most of there training actually caring and learning on actual hospital wards and the system seemed to work well. I’m not just targeting nurses , my wife started her nursing career at the old Royal Hospital in Sheffield . My point being a lot of careers would be better served by apprenticeship instead of uni.