O/T. All these strikes

[caytonmiller]

Not sure of we have a post on this so apologies of we do.
Way back in the 70s and 80s their seemed to be strikes going off all over the country. I was a young lad then so tbh I didn't take note of why and what for.

Fast forward to this year and again it seems like everyone one and every organisation/union is going on strike.

Do people outside of these sectors really care or is it disrupting their lives

For folk on here who have strikes in the past does it really make a difference.

Do people feel sorry for the strikers who are asking for a pay rise or do they think they are well paid enough,


I've got mixed feelings about the situation. Some professional are earning 40-50k and can't manage whilst others are on 25k and really struggling. I really don't know what the answer should be..

postal strikes.

I was talking to my posty last week. He mentioned himself and several of his colleagues in the halfway branch are happy with the pay they get. It's the conditions they are not happy with.
He said give or take it's around £14 per hour. A bit more when they do flyers/parcels. They want to change the working hours They want them to do more hours in the winter (pre Xmas when they are busy) and less in the summer. With a 4.8% pay rise.

nurses strikes.
In late 2020/2021 I sold a house to a nurse and her husband. Both NHS workers She worked on the intensive care ward and he worked in admin.
They sold their house for 165k and bought mine for 300k. It's a big jump for a young couple and she basically said covid has made it possible for them to purchase a property of that price.

Her wage had almost doubled due to overtime and bonus the nhs were throwing loads of cash at nurses.
Whilst it's not a job I could do and admire the work they do, I almost felt she was bragging about making all the money from people's suffering.
Nurse unions were asking for over 19% payrise.

[animallittle3]

Huge task with anti union legislation in place to even get to strike action these days .

Nobody wants to strike , Why would they ?

When you factor the above in to the debate it should in reality tell you something today in the UK isn't right across a number of sectors .

[caytonmiller]

Huge task with anti union legislation in place to even get to strike action these days .

Nobody wants to strike , Why would they ?

When you factor the above in to the debate it should in reality tell you something today in the UK isn't right across a number of sectors .

What's the answer though animal.
Just keep throwing money at it. Reform. Thin the workforce. Sack the top jocks for not doing the job correctly. Give labour a go?

[animallittle3]

What's the answer though animal.
Just keep throwing money at it. Reform. Thin the workforce. Sack the top jocks for not doing the job correctly. Give labour a go?

What you have to consider Cayton is that in reality the pay disputes and in many cases working conditions combined aren't caused by workers wanting to enhance their salaries above their pay grade .

What they are seeking is to maintain their capability to pay their way in life .

This isn't just about the present problems the country faces in the case of the NHS for instance , this is a sector where their terms and working conditions have significantly diminished over a 12 year period and finally they have arrived at breaking point and enough is enough .

The RMT dispute seems to me to be on the lines that the industry is profitable ( no pun intended ) which is must be given the dividends that are paid out to shareholders and the high level of corporate pay plus government subsidies but that doesn't seem to be available for those further down the industry's food chain so to speak .

In both these disputes in my opinion there is money that would settle both , this is a sovereign nation after all so the NHS dispute could be settled tomorrow with a phone call to the Bank of England .

The reason this doesn't happen is in my opinion purely down to the ideology of the government and a bit of class warfare thrown in for good measure .

The union's are pretty much on their own with this given getting any kind policy or solution is outside the capability of the Labour Party it would seem .

[Brin]

What's the answer though animal.
Just keep throwing money at it. Reform. Thin the workforce. Sack the top jocks for not doing the job correctly. Give labour a go?

Cayton, how could you possibly thin the nursing line? They are already 40,000 under staffed. Midwifery 20,000 under staffed.

If you want a reality check on what hard working people are asking for, ask why people aren’t entering the nursing profession. My Nephews Wife is a manageress of McDonalds covering any one of three branches and she earns 30k+

My daughter is currently in her final 3rd year at Sheffield Hallam Uni studying to graduate to be a Childrens paediatric neo natal nurse. In all the time she has worked her 12 hour shifts on placement, she didn’t and still doesn’t get paid a 1 pence piece!
That’s right, nothing, zilch, zip f. uck all!!

When she qualifies she will start on 23k a year. She will have £200 a month parking fees. Have to pay £120 to the nursing body in order to be registered.
And let’s not forget the £30,000 of debt she owes to the Uni to be trained.

Now ask yourself why people don’t want to become a caring, passionate, considerate warm beautiful human being my daughter is. She deserves a badge as big as a dustbin lid!

[avondalemiller]

Cayton, how could you possibly thin the nursing line? They are already 40,000 under staffed. Midwifery 20,000 under staffed.

If you want a reality check on what hard working people are asking for, ask why people aren’t entering the nursing profession. My Nephews Wife is a manageress of McDonalds covering any one of three branches and she earns 30k+

My daughter is currently in her final 3rd year at Sheffield Hallam Uni studying to graduate to be a Childrens paediatric neo natal nurse. In all the time she has worked her 12 hour shifts on placement, she didn’t and still doesn’t get paid a 1 pence piece!
That’s right, nothing, zilch, zip f. uck all!!

When she qualifies she will start on 23k a year. She will have £200 a month parking fees. Have to pay £120 to the nursing body in order to be registered.
And let’s not forget the £30,000 of debt she owes to the Uni to be trained.

Now ask yourself why people don’t want to become a caring, passionate, considerate warm beautiful human being my daughter is. She deserves a badge as big as a dustbin lid!

Brin, this isn't aimed at your daughter personally as it covers lots of occuppations, but why do people choose a job and then complain about it, e.g. money and working conditions? My grand daughter was thinking about doing Mental Health at Uni, but after several chats with different people, she's binned that idea.

By the way, it does sound like a complete mess and probably won't get any better soon, whoever is in power. It's got like this over decades, it needs the middle management filtering out and paying them on the front line a bit more.

[ragingpup]

Cayton, how could you possibly thin the nursing line? They are already 40,000 under staffed. Midwifery 20,000 under staffed.

If you want a reality check on what hard working people are asking for, ask why people aren’t entering the nursing profession. My Nephews Wife is a manageress of McDonalds covering any one of three branches and she earns 30k+

My daughter is currently in her final 3rd year at Sheffield Hallam Uni studying to graduate to be a Childrens paediatric neo natal nurse. In all the time she has worked her 12 hour shifts on placement, she didn’t and still doesn’t get paid a 1 pence piece!
That’s right, nothing, zilch, zip f. uck all!!

When she qualifies she will start on 23k a year. She will have £200 a month parking fees. Have to pay £120 to the nursing body in order to be registered.
And let’s not forget the £30,000 of debt she owes to the Uni to be trained.

Now ask yourself why people don’t want to become a caring, passionate, considerate warm beautiful human being my daughter is. She deserves a badge as big as a dustbin lid!

Reminds me of the views of the well renowned intellectual heavyweight Isabel Oakeshott saying last week that she thinks that of course nurses could strike but shouldn't expect a job to come back to.

So Isabel - who are you planning to replace them with??!

[animallittle3]

Cayton, how could you possibly thin the nursing line? They are already 40,000 under staffed. Midwifery 20,000 under staffed.

If you want a reality check on what hard working people are asking for, ask why people aren’t entering the nursing profession. My Nephews Wife is a manageress of McDonalds covering any one of three branches and she earns 30k+

My daughter is currently in her final 3rd year at Sheffield Hallam Uni studying to graduate to be a Childrens paediatric neo natal nurse. In all the time she has worked her 12 hour shifts on placement, she didn’t and still doesn’t get paid a 1 pence piece!
That’s right, nothing, zilch, zip f. uck all!!

When she qualifies she will start on 23k a year. She will have £200 a month parking fees. Have to pay £120 to the nursing body in order to be registered.
And let’s not forget the £30,000 of debt she owes to the Uni to be trained.

Now ask yourself why people don’t want to become a caring, passionate, considerate warm beautiful human being my daughter is. She deserves a badge as big as a dustbin lid!

Brin it seems to me the question of the NHS requires some grownups to come to the fore and have an honest conversation with the public .

Truth is no bugga dare come straight out and say that unless taxes go up we can't run it effectively .

The Tories will run it in to the ground on an ideological ticket and Labour will invent expensive buy now pay tomorrow schemes so as not to trouble the voting taxpayer .

There has to be some sort of third way solution where we have to pay for some things but not entirely .

[howdydoo]

Brin it seems to me the question of the NHS requires some grownups to come to the fore and have an honest conversation with the public .

Truth is no bugga dare come straight out and say that unless taxes go up we can't run it effectively .

The Tories will run it in to the ground on an ideological ticket and Labour will invent expensive buy now pay tomorrow schemes so as not to trouble the voting taxpayer .

There has to be some sort of third way solution where we have to pay for some things but not entirely .

You can double or even triple the funding if you like.

It won’t be run effectively. Not a chance.

[Brin]

Brin, this isn't aimed at your daughter personally as it covers lots of occuppations, but why do people choose a job and then complain about it, e.g. money and working conditions? My grand daughter was thinking about doing Mental Health at Uni, but after several chats with different people, she's binned that idea.

By the way, it does sound like a complete mess and probably won't get any better soon, whoever is in power. It's got like this over decades, it needs the middle management filtering out and paying them on the front line a bit more.

Avondale buddy no offence taken. She personally isn’t complaining. It was me comparing a manager who oversees staff who flip and serves burgers to someone who potentially is in a day to day scenario of saving new borns lives.

She is so looking forward to entering a profession her own mother has been in for the last 42 years. I think that’s where the love of the job and focus has finally come from. My Daughter has never been out of work right from the age of 15.

She has been in childcare over 10 years now. Qualified as a child practitioner. Personal childcare as an au pair to three children, one of whom was disabled. Nursery nurse. Qualified Health Care Assistant, this is where she has worked bank shifts to earn money to sustain her through her degree.

Prior to all this she was employed as an Airline stewardess or cabin crew as they call them now.
Yes, her Mum and I are extremely pleased with her non stop progression throughout her working career.