O/T The BBS And The Sunak Thread

[Young_Nudger]

A significant proportion are staring into a screen rather than interact/ smile with someone else.

Exactly.
Social media and smart phones have played a massive part in educating people.
But they have also brought with it a very dark side.
Now we wait for the next wave, the introduction of AI to be foisted upon us.

Even fashion follows the trend.
Look at the glamorous nature, the colour of clothes and the big hair of the 80s / 90s - compared to that of the baggy, dark and drab fashion of today.

[animallittle3]

Exactly.
Social media and smart phones have played a massive part in educating people.
But they have also brought with it a very dark side.
Now we wait for the next wave, the introduction of AI to be foisted upon us.

Even fashion follows the trend.
Look at the glamorous nature, the colour of clothes and the big hair of the 80s / 90s - compared to that of the baggy, dark and drab fashion of today.

To be fair doing the " it was better in our day " isn't a great look YN .

There was plenty of poverty and I do mean poverty during the back end of the 60's and 70's when I was at school , some kids came to school in clothes just about not falling to pieces and newspaper in their shoes to plug the holes , you don't see that today .

If you went to Spain for your holidays in the 70's you were considered wealthy , now people go for the weekend like it's nothing .

My old man bought his first car well in to his 40's and now almost everyone has at least two .

The sting in the tail is that whilst we are all better off financially than we once were 40 or 50 years ago we've lost the community spirit and togetherness we once took for granted .

[Young_Nudger]

To be fair doing the " it was better in our day " isn't a great look YN .

There was plenty of poverty and I do mean poverty during the back end of the 60's and 70's when I was at school , some kids came to school in clothes just about not falling to pieces and newspaper in their shoes to plug the holes , you don't see that today .

If you went to Spain for your holidays in the 70's you were considered wealthy , now people go for the weekend like it's nothing .

My old man bought his first car well in to his 40's and now almost everyone has at least two .

The sting in the tail is that whilst we are all better off financially than we once were 40 or 50 years ago we've lost the community spirit and togetherness we once took for granted .

Well you are certainly keeping within the trend.

If I agree with you - you search for a reason to tell me I’m wrong for agreeing with you.

[animallittle3]

Well you are certainly keeping within the trend.

If I agree with you - you search for a reason to tell me I’m wrong for agreeing with you.

It doesn't matter whether we agree or not YN , that's life and we often don't but in the grand scheme of life is it really that important ? .

What matters is that perhaps we can compromise and this is the crux of the matter in the UK of today and the purpose of this thread .

However we have to compromise with facts for them to be credible , what you believe or what I believe are nothing without facts that back that opinion up although most people including myself are guilty of spin which is where we can sometimes fall short , your fond of a bit of spin too I might add .

What I will say is that I've never known a time in this country when it was so divided and as toxic as it is today and I've lived through some very poor times in my near 62 years as I'm sure you have .

I was a trade union representative for over 20 years and the only game in town was compromise , the company needed to make a profit and invest , the workers required a good standard of living and you worked within those parameters .

Anything outside of those parameters on both sides and you are dead in the water , both sides .

When you break things down and work within those parameters and transfer that logic in to other areas of UK life you'd not go far wrong .

This was best illustrated in my opinion with the 2016 referendum , the politicians were given a mandate from the people in a democratic vote , that mandate included bringing immigration down , not ending but down .

Ending would have looked like no compromise , open borders would have looked like no compromise either .

Bringing down was the compromise .

If the current trend is continued the UK's population will increase substantially over the next 20 years , like three times the population of Birmingham .

Is that sustainable or am I a racist ?

[Jules88]

Looking at this thread (Dont read BBS so not aware of the actual coversation, but can gather the tone) I have to answer Animal that the increase in the population coming is not sustainable. Add the influx of migrants (illegal amd Legal) to our current burgeoning population, and then factor the incoming peoples propensity to have large families upon arrival her then country cannot sustain this increase.
Is that racist? I dont think so,
What IS making me FEEL racist, is my feelings abouthow these migrants are usually single men, coming through safe countries to get here, paying large sums of money which could have be used in the safe countries they have passed through to set themselves up with homes and jobs, to come here and merely milk the state, whilst subsequently bringing their family here to do the same.
And we allow this to happen.
Its mot sustainable. We can fund this……yet cant afford to fill fecking potholes

[animallittle3]

Looking at this thread (Dont read BBS so not aware of the actual coversation, but can gather the tone) I have to answer Animal that the increase in the population coming is not sustainable. Add the influx of migrants (illegal amd Legal) to our current burgeoning population, and then factor the incoming peoples propensity to have large families upon arrival her then country cannot sustain this increase.
Is that racist? I dont think so,
What IS making me FEEL racist, is my feelings abouthow these migrants are usually single men, coming through safe countries to get here, paying large sums of money which could have be used in the safe countries they have passed through to set themselves up with homes and jobs, to come here and merely milk the state, whilst subsequently bringing their family here to do the same.
And we allow this to happen.
Its mot sustainable. We can fund this……yet cant afford to fill fecking potholes

The whole issue of creating a multicultural and diverse society comes from good hearts and minds , a world where by moving from a country that is deprived , a country where the chances to have a better life are limited to another country such as the UK where opportunity and the chance to do better is significantly increased , almost every person born in to an extreme poverty and very little opportunity would want to move to Europe and the UK under those circumstances .

This kind of policy has existed in the UK since the end of the second world war , boats left the Caribbean , India and Pakistan with thousands of people offered that opportunity to come here for a better life .

What's changed dramatically from those times is the political thinking that exists today that the world should no longer have borders , that borders are an obstacle to freedoms , the EU was a classic example of that thinking , it even went further than that and many nations adopted the same currency and accepted laws and policies made by people from other nations albeit in a collective way .

All done from good hearts and minds and I do wish to make that point clear .

All well and good but here's the thing .

Whilst multiculturalism and diversity is not a failure per se it does none the less have many failings attached to it .

It's been a real failure in Sweden and to a lesser extent Denmark and the signs in Germany , Spain and Italy aren't good either which isn't to say they can't be overcome , they may not be either .

Good hearts and minds is one thing but reality can be another thing altogether .

In my opinion and where we are probably going wrong here in the UK is that it's not up to it's ingenious population to change one thing about it's history and that includes the bad or be shamed by it , we've also given the world some wonderful things too .

It's not up to it's ingenious population to change it's culture either and there's good and bad in there too , it's what makes us what we are and what we could do better at but we can work that out for ourselves , nobody need tell us .

If we don't share the same values or parts of the population don't like them then that's unfortunate , taking a 16 year old girl out of school and arranging her marriage to an older man isn't considered a good thing here .

When we say our values then I'd also like to include our shortcomings too , lot's of us have failed marriages , lots of us have children out of wedlock , lots of us simply live together and don't get married at all and lots of us drink too much alcohol and religion and worship is something that's diminished from society in huge numbers .

When people say this is a modern , tolerant and welcoming country they should also point out our failings aren't always in line with other cultures .

[SBRed48]

Global movements of people will increase on a vast scale as millions migrate from climate change drought areas or flooded areas in the world.

Should the countries/ regions that have caused or are causing global warming welcome them ?--Western Europe, USA, India, China.

[Young_Nudger]

Global movements of people will increase on a vast scale as millions migrate from climate change drought areas or flooded areas in the world.

Should the countries/ regions that have caused or are causing global warming welcome them ?--Western Europe, USA, India, China.

Anyone who comes out with that suggestion I have this to say to them - the west will take responsibility for global warming - if those 3rd world countries that are complaining about effects of global warming on them caused by the Industrial Revolution RELINQUISH all goods that came about through the Industrial Revolution
Eg - medicines - electrics - motor engines - fertilisers - building materials - computers etc etc etc

This springs to mind ….
Monty Python - what did the Romans ever do for us?

[SBRed48]

Anyone who comes out with that suggestion I have this to say to them - the west will take responsibility for global warming - if those 3rd world countries that are complaining about effects of global warming on them caused by the Industrial Revolution RELINQUISH all goods that came about through the Industrial Revolution
Eg - medicines - electrics - motor engines - fertilisers - building materials - computers etc etc etc

This springs to mind ….
Monty Python - what did the Romans ever do for us?

You need to expand your mind and see the big global picture Nudge.

If you and your family are amongst several hundred thousand starving in a drought zone and need to migrate then not having a computer is the last thing on your mind.

[pass_and_move]

Anyone who comes out with that suggestion I have this to say to them - the west will take responsibility for global warming - if those 3rd world countries that are complaining about effects of global warming on them caused by the Industrial Revolution RELINQUISH all goods that came about through the Industrial Revolution
Eg - medicines - electrics - motor engines - fertilisers - building materials - computers etc etc etc

This springs to mind ….
Monty Python - what did the Romans ever do for us?

Which begs the question- How would they travel here to this country thousands of miles if they relinquished all goods or anything associated with global warming?