O/T:- Media portray Israeli fans as victims

[The Dug Out]

And the iron-dome from Israel shot one down and the iron-dome from Israel shot one down................

[LincsPie]

I thought I'd made my view on the separation of Jews v Israel clear in both the title and the body of the thread.

My dig was at the media which none of the respondents have even mentioned in their rush to be offended. Gangs of Israeli thugs, chanting obscene songs about war crimes in Gaza, run amok in another country and it's a 'pogrom', an antisemitic act when they get a reaction, it was no such thing.

Why use the words 'the Jews' at all in your first post then?

And for every mainstream media channel you say portrays one side as victims, you'll find another channel that is perceived as the opposite. Furthermore one side will say the (for example) the BBC is pro the other side and the other side will say exactly the same. Tory politicians think the BBC is pro Labour and Labour think it's pro Tory.

[The Dug Out]

Mainstream Media, as it is proscribed in this current climate, will become completley irrelavent in the very near future. On-line platforms will be the norm, mainly X & rumble, that's were the news will be. The days of bias news, delivered purely at the heist of whatever political persuassion the editor happens to be will be a thing of the past, newspapers will be defunct, along with biased "tv news programmes".

The like's of Elon Musk will be the game changers but the big difference will be that Musk will not control the content, unless of course a piece of content breaks the regional law, but in the main "the people" who make the news will be writing it on these platforms because like it or not free speech is back and is totally permitted by Elon Musk, the days where any official body, be it Government or Corporate can just lie and spin with impunity will also be gone.
All in all good news, people will be able to take balanced views without being bombarded with spin.

[i961pie]

Mainstream Media, as it is proscribed in this current climate, will become completley irrelavent in the very near future. On-line platforms will be the norm, mainly X & rumble, that's were the news will be. The days of bias news, delivered purely at the heist of whatever political persuassion the editor happens to be will be a thing of the past, newspapers will be defunct, along with biased "tv news programmes".

The like's of Elon Musk will be the game changers but the big difference will be that Musk will not control the content, unless of course a piece of content breaks the regional law, but in the main "the people" who make the news will be writing it on these platforms because like it or not free speech is back and is totally permitted by Elon Musk, the days where any official body, be it Government or Corporate can just lie and spin with impunity will also be gone.
All in all good news, people will be able to take balanced views without being bombarded with spin.

So in other words people can say what they like even though it's lies (like what happened in the recent riots) and the gullible believe it. That should make things much better.😤

[nw6pie]

I suppose it beats getting your news from 30p Lee.

People can create a case it was a massive AS attack but the Israeli fans are of an age where they are doing or will have done national service with the IDF. We have seen them cause trouble before, in Athens, and if you want evidence of the way their government protects them from any responsibility for their actions, look no further than the story of the English girl gang raped in Cyprus by young Israelis, who went on to be the one found guilty.

Spare me the lecture about hating Jews, btw, I didn't even mention them until this sentence. Jews and Israelis are two separate groups.

Jews and Israelis are two separate groups? If only you’d told the attackers driving around Amsterdam talking about a “Jew hunt”. Or the terrorists who boasted about killing Jews on October 7.

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have a horrible reputation in Israel, BTW, second only to Beitar Jerusalem for their vile racism. Weirdly, they still have Arab fans in the city.

[The Dug Out]

So in other words people can say what they like even though it's lies (like what happened in the recent riots) and the gullible believe it. That should make things much better.��

It may have escaped some folk but endemically it has been the norm of life, at least in the uk,to say what they like and think, the old saying of sticks and stones may break my bones but calling will not hurt me, it's only recently that the woke brigade with their hurty feeling nonsense have tried to stop it, thank goodness they are becoming irrelevent.
In all sincerity if you cannot figure out if someone is lying to you then you are more gullible than you may think.

[Med Pie]

Why use the words 'the Jews' at all in your first post then?

And for every mainstream media channel you say portrays one side as victims, you'll find another channel that is perceived as the opposite. Furthermore one side will say the (for example) the BBC is pro the other side and the other side will say exactly the same. Tory politicians think the BBC is pro Labour and Labour think it's pro Tory.

That is explained in the thread title, these people were not deemed 'Israeli' football hooligans which is what they were but as 'Jews' who were being persecuted.

[Med Pie]

So in other words people can say what they like even though it's lies (like what happened in the recent riots) and the gullible believe it. That should make things much better.��

But even though the post to which you probably refer in the main, was wrong in it's detail, it was closer to the truth we now find out, than people would like to admit.

The Isreali government is the greatest peddler of lies imaginable, how they are allowed to continue the massacre of non combatants, it beyond belief. I watched an interview with an Israeli commentator recently who said 'we've lost the World, the World now hates us'.

[queenslandpie]

Mainstream Media, as it is proscribed in this current climate, will become completley irrelavent in the very near future. On-line platforms will be the norm, mainly X & rumble, that's were the news will be. The days of bias news, delivered purely at the heist of whatever political persuassion the editor happens to be will be a thing of the past, newspapers will be defunct, along with biased "tv news programmes".

The like's of Elon Musk will be the game changers but the big difference will be that Musk will not control the content, unless of course a piece of content breaks the regional law, but in the main "the people" who make the news will be writing it on these platforms because like it or not free speech is back and is totally permitted by Elon Musk, the days where any official body, be it Government or Corporate can just lie and spin with impunity will also be gone.
All in all good news, people will be able to take balanced views without being bombarded with spin.

Elon Musk the game changer who is falling over himself to be aligned with a mainstream politician in Trump and portrayed in the media alongside him. Musk is highly intelligent but self serving. Absolutely not to be trusted on any level.

[Med Pie]

Jews and Israelis are two separate groups? If only you’d told the attackers driving around Amsterdam talking about a “Jew hunt”. Or the terrorists who boasted about killing Jews on October 7.

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have a horrible reputation in Israel, BTW, second only to Beitar Jerusalem for their vile racism. Weirdly, they still have Arab fans in the city.

There are thugs in every country who seek any opportunity for a tear up and let's not forget how many Muslims there are in Europe now which possibly, explains some of the actions? It was the perfect opportunity for Muslims to exact some kind of revenge on 'Jews' though obviously I have no proof that this is what happened.