The trouble is with politics is that no matter who you vote for politicians always get in
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The trouble is with politics is that no matter who you vote for politicians always get in
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I found it interesting and slightly confounding that when the now Mayor of Lincolnshire spoke about 'putting illegals in tents as they are in France', the other candidates walked off stage. They are clearly, utterly, tone deaf and in absolute denial as to why they've been rejected so I hope they enjoy their time on the sidelines.
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... I'm also curious to know what the lefty/wokes think will happen if the present rate of influx of economic chancers continues for as long as they would like/or the useless politicians simply fail to take action. Just imagine ... day after day ... 50 to 150 arrivals, (fine weather accepted) ... just what do they think will happen?
Answers please ..
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Woke here. 150 per day is 54,750 per year, or less than 5% of the total 1.2M immigration into the UK per year at the moment. I don't condone illegal immigration or asylum seekers country-shopping, but what will happen is essentially what would happen anyway because the amount is nothing compared to legal immigration.Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse
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When politicians don't listen to the people the likes of reform come to the fore. It's happening all over Europe.
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That's true, but even those politicians who do "get" what public is saying will often be blocked from putting those ideas into action, or at least see them watered down, by a bureaucracy that is still very much designed/minded to preserve the status quo.
At the moment the public are - fortunately - still relying on democratic processes to express their desire for change, but their growing frustration is reflected by the shift towards a more radical party which happens to be Reform.
If the bureaucratic system, be it local government officialdom or the civil service, again conspire to thwart the degree of change the public expect, then the frustration will only continue to grow, potentially to a point where large numbers of the public no longer rely on politicians or democratic processes to express and implement their view.
Add to that the fact that many of the politicians being elected are either not equipped with the intelligence or experience to take on the bureaucracy, or are themselves just opportunists looking to make a fast buck rather than truly seeking implement change, and it makes you wonder where this all leads.
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This is that dumb Trumpian idea/lie about a mythical 'deep state'.
No, change doesn't happen because of the predilections and choices of the parties that get elected and whose interests they ultimately represent and serve
We will now see that adding 5 years of a Farage premiership to the current sorry shower will mean another full decade in which nothing will be done to improve in the lives of the long-suffering British people.
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Not really, various stories have surfaced over the last few years as to how civil servants are stymying the political will of the people at every turn with impunity.
The wonderful Stephen Fry said 'the rise of the right is the lefts fault'.........................................
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How come the usual suspects always find a way to bring it back to Trump?
As per the original poster, the latest elections in the UK could give the public confidence in the fact that the status quo could be changing. Many people probably wouldn't vote for a lesser party, because as we all know in First Past the Post, their vote wouldn't 'count'. Mind you in First Past the Post, a single vote doesn't really count either.
Whatever your political standing, for God's Sake, don't wish for any form of MMP - it is most undemocratic electoral system ever. I've lived and voted under both types - FPP is infinitely better.
However, with the rise of Reform, who lets face it without Farage would be nothing, people may in even greater numbers than last time, vote for Reform at the next General Election. Many people are sick of same people getting into power (whichever banner they fly under). As I've quoted before from 'Won't Fooled Again' by The Who in 1971:
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
As Townsend said after Woodstock in 1969 'Leave me out of it: I don't think your lot would be any better than the other lot!' All those hippies wandering about thinking the world was going to be different from that day. As a cynical English arsehole, I walked through it all and felt like spitting on the lot of them, and shaking them and trying to make them realise that nothing had changed and nothing was going to change."
And so far, very little has changed.
Don't think those in the higher echelons of power will let it happen that easily though. Scottish Devolution and Brexit both had the might of the Establishment against them.
And for those of you that love to hate Trump (going back to my first paragraph). It's odd how we've had three big votes in the last few weeks and there could be a pattern emerging (not in chronological order):
Canada - Liberal Mark Carney beat Conservative Pierre Poilievre. Poilievre did his best to distance himself politically from the US President
Australia - Labor Anthony Albanese beat Liberal/National Peter Dutton - Dutton did his best to distance himself politically from the US President
UK - Reform dominates local government elections - Farage, well we all know what his relationship is with Trump and he doesn't hide it.
I'll make a prediction too now. Neither Carney or Albanese will serve a full term. Both of them will either get rolled by their own party or the electorate before their next respective General Election.
Last edited by Lullapie; 05-05-2025 at 12:09 AM.
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Various stories and Stephen Fry, right you are
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