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    Quote Originally Posted by wendun View Post
    The Uriah Heep of MM. Insincere, ingratiating, patronising, prolix beyond tedium and endless cut and paste.
    What's Kerr ever done to you wendun?

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    I have a question.

    Do any of you think that taking the NHS out of the hands of the politicians and putting it in some sort of trust will help the NHS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogmiller View Post
    I have a question.

    Do any of you think that taking the NHS out of the hands of the politicians and putting it in some sort of trust will help the NHS?
    Probably not. It would just add another level of paper shifters being paid to run it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogmiller View Post
    I have a question.

    Do any of you think that taking the NHS out of the hands of the politicians and putting it in some sort of trust will help the NHS?
    No, the whole thing needs to be replaced by a different system, either the European Bismarck system or the Australian National Insurance system, both better performing than the NHS.

    Any extra money for the NHS either goes into creating extra layers of management or on staff salaries, it doesn't get to the patients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wendun View Post
    The Uriah Heep of MM. Insincere, ingratiating, patronising, prolix beyond tedium and endless cut and paste.
    Bit harsh on yourself Monty...I like you at least x

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    Another question

    What do MPs Marsha De Cordova (Labour), Sarah Champion (Labour) and Boris Johnson (Conservative) have in common?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    Are you sure that Labour's Momentum and Union masters are literate on the potential negative impact of stultifying wealth creation? I'm not, given the anti-business and wealth rhetoric that comes from the party.

    Of course the notion that somebody other than the majority of Labour supporters should pay more tax proved quite popular amongst the electorate at the last election. Are you surprised? If you accept the proposition that people don’t want to pay more for the services they would like, then you surely accept the notion that they the like the idea that someone else should? In essence isn’t that what you are selling on the doorstep?

    I think you are showing ‘it’s not the electorate - it’s the mainstream media that don’t like us’ paranoia when you say that The Telegraph article is hiding the growing support for Labour. The article is quite clear about the relative standing of the parties.
    As a general question, would you like to see more money invested in health and social care and public services? If you'd like to invest more money, how do you suggest we could raise it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    As a general question, would you like to see more money invested in health and social care and public services? If you'd like to invest more money, how do you suggest we could raise it?
    I would tell people that if they wanted more to be spent on public services then they need to be willing to pay more taxes. I'm a succour for honesty.

    I'm not sure that I agree with your use of the word 'invest'. Health and social care spending are a day to day expense as oppose to an investment. I don't invest in my lunch, I pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    So you would ask people on low wages to contribute more than they already do to improve public services? Fair enough. Do you consider the current higher rates of income tax unfair on higher earners? If not, what rates would you set the higher rates at if it was down to you?
    I think that everybody who wants more money put into public services needs to accept that the money has to come from them. Before you get all morally superior about that, you will recall that you support a party who thinks that the lowest paid in society should pay tuition fees for people to go to university with the intention of gaining from that to become higher earners.

    As it happens, I would favour policies that take more lower earners completely out of taxation. This may come as a surprise to you, given that it will not fit in with your 'Kerr doesn't like Corbyn so must be a counter revolutionary class enemy' prejudices.

    The clue to the issue is right under your nose: For the many not the few' is very informative. There aren't enough very high earners to make a difference, particularly if you set tax rates that don't encourage them to off shore their wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    As a general question, would you like to see more money invested in health and social care and public services? If you'd like to invest more money, how do you suggest we could raise it?
    I’ve said before, the NHS is a ‘ big black hole ‘. We can keep pouring money into for ever and a day.
    By all means put 1p / 2p on my income tax, as long as every penny is accounted for. Unfortunately I’m still not convinced the majority actually would accept the tax rise.
    They need to divert more cash into Social Care as a priority.
    Most things have been tried, encouraging people to eat a balanced diet, sugar tax, exercising to prevent any further illness.
    Certainly need more GP’s as well as Junior Doctors and Nursing staff.
    Don’t let top managers be a priority.

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