Match Thread vs. Woking 02.10.21 [NL]

[Elite_Pie]

For a club with the resources we have at hand, that’s a pathetic result. Why are we drafting in young, inexperienced CBs ?

I presume it's because the recruitment system we work to identified him as the best option. I thought he looked useful for most of the game so wouldn't blame him, but sometimes short term a Mark Ellis 'head it and kick it' type is better than a kid with potential.

[laddo]

Because incredibly we had 3 CBs all injured at the same time. Our squad naturally doesn't stretch to cover that. Could we have got an experienced CB in for a month maybe, not sure.

Agree it's a pathetic result, sounds like the result was worse than the performance but that's very little consolation.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

This game was a good lesson in that to win a game of football you've got to keep switched on and work hard for the full 90 minutes otherwise you'll get punished.

We were fine for 70 minutes and looked comfortable but needed to be more ruthless and get that second goal. As such Woking were nothing special but they did what a lot of clubs do at this level is they get the basics right in both boxes and used their height, physicality and set pieces to their advantage.

The most alarming part of today for me was how easy we collapsed and crumbled between 70-80 minutes after conceding the first goal to then concede another two and it was game over by 80 minutes and at home as well. Woking have taught us that you can play all the football you like but it's what you do in both boxes that count in the end.

This is exactly the type of game we should have been getting something from especially at home if we are to get automatically promoted. We have to be tougher, stronger and composed against the big physical sides who use set pieces to their advantage. These sides may not play attractive football but they know how to play effective football at this level.

It's a sobering reminder of how far we have fallen that today is the first time we have conceded four goals at this level in normal time. Hopefully it's a wake up call that we cannot take any team for granted and that we have to remain switched on and focused for the full 90 minutes and kill teams off when we are on top as we were on 70 minutes.

[jackal2]

Woking have taught us that you can play all the football you like but it's what you do in both boxes that count in the end.

I assume by 'us' you mean the players and maybe the manager. Many Notts fans already know this from past experience of watching our successes under Neil Warnock, Sam Allardyce and Steve Cotterill. I don't go back as far as Jimmy Sirrell and from what I've seen on TV, his teams could play the passing game very well, but I bet they still knew how to mix it up.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

I assume by 'us' you mean the players and maybe the manager. Many Notts fans already know this from past experience of watching our successes under Neil Warnock, Sam Allardyce and Steve Cotterill. I don't go back as far as Jimmy Sirrell and from what I've seen on TV, his teams could play the passing game very well, but I bet they still knew how to mix it up.

Yes that’s what I meant by us as in the players and manager. For me it’s about being effective and good at what you do if you want to get the three points regularly. Woking are good physically and a danger from set pieces which for me is the bedrock of a typical team at this level. Lincoln under the Cowleys were masters at that kind of style. Maybe it will take the loan players time to settle and grow into our style. As a unit we do need to be really good at what we do so that it is effective. I don’t think trying to play Woking at their own game would have worked in the grand scheme of things today. We basically were masters of our own downfall today from what I saw. However we should be able to mix things up as and when required much like the teams under the managers you’ve mentioned if we want to be successful.

[uysapie]

This game was a good lesson in that to win a game of football you've got to keep switched on and work hard for the full 90 minutes otherwise you'll get punished.

We were fine for 70 minutes and looked comfortable but needed to be more ruthless and get that second goal. As such Woking were nothing special but they did what a lot of clubs do at this level is they get the basics right in both boxes and used their height, physicality and set pieces to their advantage.

The most alarming part of today for me was how easy we collapsed and crumbled between 70-80 minutes after conceding the first goal to then concede another two and it was game over by 80 minutes and at home as well. Woking have taught us that you can play all the football you like but it's what you do in both boxes that count in the end.

This is exactly the type of game we should have been getting something from especially at home if we are to get automatically promoted. We have to be tougher, stronger and composed against the big physical sides who use set pieces to their advantage. These sides may not play attractive football but they know how to play effective football at this level.

It's a sobering reminder of how far we have fallen that today is the first time we have conceded four goals at this level in normal time. Hopefully it's a wake up call that we cannot take any team for granted and that we have to remain switched on and focused for the full 90 minutes and kill teams off when we are on top as we were on 70 minutes.

No points for style, only goals count. We have to be able to mix it up more.

[optipez]

Terrible result on the back of some very poor recent performances.
We've played three top half teams and taken one point. Heaviest defeat since we've been down here in the scrap heap following on from our lowest ever league finish last season.
We played far better today but just a few minutes of direct football and a few crosses and we were battered.
We are crying out for a midfield partner to help Palmer, it's a pity we couldn't keep Reeves but until we beef up the middle we'll always give teams a chance against us.
Burchnall needs to be a bit less of a puritan and get real as to what the National League requires. Barrow, Harrogate, Sutton and Hartlepool were all hard running, could play a bit but competed first and foremost and made goalkeepers work. The last three games haven't required the opposition to make a save of note.

[uysapie]

Terrible result on the back of some very poor recent performances.
We've played three top half teams and taken one point. Heaviest defeat since we've been down here in the scrap heap following on from our lowest ever league finish last season.
We played far better today but just a few minutes of direct football and a few crosses and we were battered.
We are crying out for a midfield partner to help Palmer, it's a pity we couldn't keep Reeves but until we beef up the middle we'll always give teams a chance against us.
Burchnall needs to be a bit less of a puritan and get real as to what the National League requires. Barrow, Harrogate, Sutton and Hartlepool were all hard running, could play a bit but competed first and foremost and made goalkeepers work. The last three games haven't required the opposition to make a save of note.

Is IB actually suited to this League?

[BigFatPie]

This is exactly the type of game we should have been getting something from especially at home if we are to get automatically promoted. We have to be tougher, stronger and composed against the big physical sides who use set pieces to their advantage. These sides may not play attractive football but they know how to play effective football at this level.

It's a sobering reminder of how far we have fallen that today is the first time we have conceded four goals at this level in normal time. Hopefully it's a wake up call that we cannot take any team for granted and that we have to remain switched on and focused for the full 90 minutes and kill teams off when we are on top as we were on 70 minutes.

I know it’s early in the season to be making sweeping predictions, but if there’s one thing we learned yesterday, it’s that we ain’t getting automatic promotion. Yes we were missing important players, but every team will miss important players and they 100% won’t capitulate like that. We haven’t looked convincing even when we’ve been at full strength.

To be fair I’d be delighted with a playoff place.

[Freeman25]

Because incredibly we had 3 CBs all injured at the same time. Our squad naturally doesn't stretch to cover that. Could we have got an experienced CB in for a month maybe, not sure.

Agree it's a pathetic result, sounds like the result was worse than the performance but that's very little consolation.

This is what a lot of people seem to be missing, and forgetting games like Wrexham where the team faught tooth and nail and dealt with every ball in to the box all game (until Slocombe's error imo). When you're missing KEY players it's difficult to be as good as you can be and yesterday we missed Kyle Cameron massively.

It made us switch to a back 4 which worked for most of the game but when they brought on the number 11 and he ran at Brindley, the right side of our defence looked awful with the youngster Brennan having an absolute mare but when you're down 3 central defenders it difficult to bring someone in that will be as good as your first choice players, if everyone was fit you'd think Brennan would be behind Lacey, Cameron, Rawlinson and possibly one of Chicksen or Brindley if we were playing the back 3.

We've dealt with set pieces and balls into the box relatively well all season, exceptionally well compared to previous years and been a threat with our attacking ones too, it's a bit silly questioning things like Alex Clapham now when his, and Burchnall's hands are effectively tied due to injuries.

Yesterday was not a fault with our tactics going forward, I'm not sure we've looked more comfortable at 1-0 up all season for the first 70 minutes and on another day one of the missed chances might have gone in to make it 2-0. How the team plays in open play has no baring on defending set pieces, we have a system to deal with those and that's worked all season, but when key parts of that plan are missing you have to hope replacements can step up to the mark.