O/T Boris moved to intensive care

[Exiletyke]

I have voted in every General Election since 1983 and have never voted Tory in one. I've not counted, but think that I have voted Labour more times than for any other party. I understand that you find this hard to grasp.

I simply don’t buy into the ‘I tweeted it without reading it’ mantras that are trotted out and swallowed up by eager Labour Party acolytes. I’m fed up of reading posts one here and elsewhere in which those same party activists ‘explain’ what Labour politicians ‘actually’ meant when they said various things. The Corbyn era has turned Labour into a nasty, bigoted outfit that is filled with class warriors and obsessed with identity politics. That's the point, I'm making - I want Labour to become a realistic voting option again. You might be able to excuse or turn a blind eye to the unpalatable nature of the truth, but I can’t and won’t. December 12th demonstrated – for those who need it to be demonstrated - that this country needs and deserves better than the choice that was on offer.

As for me being neutral, I offered you a challenge yesterday; show me where I have claimed to be neutral and I won’t post again. All you have to do is is apologise if you can’t find me making such a comment.

I have voted in every General Election since 1983 and have never voted Tory in one. I've not counted, but think that I have voted Labour more times than for any other party. I understand that you find this hard to grasp. [/quote]

Wrong terminology there Kerr
Should read "I understand that you find this hard to believe"

[rolymiller]

I have voted in every General Election since 1983 and have never voted Tory in one. I've not counted, but think that I have voted Labour more times than for any other party. I understand that you find this hard to grasp.

I simply don’t buy into the ‘I tweeted it without reading it’ mantras that are trotted out and swallowed up by eager Labour Party acolytes. I’m fed up of reading posts one here and elsewhere in which those same party activists ‘explain’ what Labour politicians ‘actually’ meant when they said various things. The Corbyn era has turned Labour into a nasty, bigoted outfit that is filled with class warriors and obsessed with identity politics. That's the point, I'm making - I want Labour to become a realistic voting option again. You might be able to excuse or turn a blind eye to the unpalatable nature of the truth, but I can’t and won’t. December 12th demonstrated – for those who need it to be demonstrated - that this country needs and deserves better than the choice that was on offer.

Behave yourself Kerr you are talking to your uncle Roly now! Voted Labour more times than etc...!!

By the way Labour has always been for minority groups they aint changed under Corbyn...they have always been class warriors as well as long as I can remember over 60 odd years and one of the reasons why they are attractive to the working class. Why wunt you vote for someone who was fighting your corner...so IF it is true you have voted Labour loads of times before on what premise is it if it is not for some of those reasons?

It dunt stack up as usual my dearest..

You are a rogue...xx

[ragingpup]

Apparently, there’s 30,000 plus posts...just type rasicts left wing w@nkers toss pot feckers and you should score

Were talking mps in the Labour shadow cabinet, as well you know. In the general membership /public there are as many extreme left wingers as there are extreme right wingers so that's a mute point. Although I think the right has possibly expanded somewhat since 2015.

So who are these racist/bigoted Labour mps in the current cabinet of which you speak?

[ragingpup]

The way I see it is that if you put this in footballing terms the Labour Party have just fallen from the heights of the PL and just got relegated from the championship with a record low points total .

Keir Starmer is the new Head Coach hired to take the party back to the PL .

The owner and CEO have given him a 4 year contract and have promised to give him the length of that contract to deliver PL football .

He's walked in to a mess in his first pre season and he's made changes to improve the quality of the squad .

It's early days but its a marathon not a sprint , mistakes will be made with the squad but some cream will come to the top as well .

I'd expect the squad to be up to PL standard around 12 to 18 months before the next election and there will be successors and bumps in the road to come but as long as we have the right quality in when it really matters the most in 3 years time we can live with it .

Sound like a plan ?

Interesting analogy but I agree with the broad thrust. As some geezer from navara media (is that how you spell it?), this labour cabinet is about as left wing as it will get, and I suspect more changes will come along soon. So nil desperandum Kerr. Hang in there!

[animallittle3]

Interesting analogy but I agree with the broad thrust. As some geezer from navara media (is that how you spell it?), this labour cabinet is about as left wing as it will get, and I suspect more changes will come along soon. So nil desperandum Kerr. Hang in there!

He's had the job one week and time is something the Labour Party have .

The Tories will have held power for 14 years by the time the next election comes around and now face the biggest economic crisis since the 1930's .

Right out of ideas and money doesn't generally fit well with winning elections .

However the Tories falling on their sword isn't good enough for me , Labour have also to prove to the electorate that they are worthy of government .

Let's be clear , attacking the wealth isn't going to take you to Downing Street I'm sure that much we do know , soon as you start talking about taxing the wealth more robustly you are politically dead in the water in the UK in my opinion .

This tragedy which is upon us offers opportunity to define the kind of society we want to live in .

The role of the state is back in the game but they also have to convince the electorate that it comes in on budget .

I've yet to talk to a floating voter who thinks Labour is particularly good with money , yes I know the Tories have borrowed more but mud sticks and you have to live with what you have .

Blair found a way by reaching out to wealth and more or less said in so many words " you've nothing to fear from us " .

I see Starmer has his own column now in The Times and The Evening Standard , it's a start .

You don't have to court the wealth vote just simply not have them against you in campaign mode is good enough .

With those shutting the feck up you have then a reasonable opportunity to reconcile the middle class and heartlands vote .

With the middle class banner headline readers with nothing to go on you've half a chance , the heartlands require a union jack waistcoat on and a bit of national pride instead of trying to be something to all sorts and ending up pyssing the core vote off .

Ain't going to work around here with the natives with this global shyte , many are tory voters now so get in the game .

Yeh it's brutal and many in the party won't like the direction of travel and that goes for the left and centre .

The alternative is the opposition benches .

[Brin]

Is Boris still in intensive care? This thread has gone so far of cue I can't seem to find an update on Bo Jo.

Then again, it's gone all 'political again' and the points scoring exercise is in full swing.......I'll leave you all to it.

Happy Easter Sunday everyone, and as Sergeant Phil Esterhaus use to say in Hill Street Blues....'Let's be careful out there'

[animallittle3]

I don't buy that. When a new manager moves into a club, he will be largely stuck with the squad that he inherits as it takes time to move contracted players out. Starmer had a clean piece of paper when he started to assemble his shadow cabinet; he didn't have to appoint Naz Sha, Afzal Khan or any other member of the 'I didn't read it before I tweeted it' brigade.

Starmer had the opportunity to end the nonsense, draw a line under the insanity of the last few years and return the Labour Party to a point where it is functioning opposition and fit for government. It’s clear that his desire for ‘unity’ has trumped that. I wonder how many people would have voted for him if he had been clear that he included anti-Semites and nut jobs amongst those he wanted unity with?

Naz Sha and Afzal Kahn are poor appointments and I wouldn't argue about that .

Unifying the party surely has to be top of the list because if it isn't together in opposition then it's unlikely it will be effective and win an election .

Whether you like it or not the left have a place in the party just as much as the centre does .

Your left wing nut jobs are my EU worshippers in the party and are led by a man who did quite a lot of damage in the Heartlands whilst Shadow Brexit Secretary .

My point is there has to be a coming together and compromises made or this party will be done for and likely to split .

That would be my understanding of a clean slate at this point in Starmer's tenure .

[great_fire]

Cabinets and shadow cabinets have to be diverse these days which leads to some unsuitable appointments like Naz Shah, Diane Abbott and Baroness Warsi.

[WanChaiMiller]

Cabinets and shadow cabinets have to be diverse these days which leads to some unsuitable appointments like Naz Shah, Diane Abbott and Baroness Warsi.

Not forgetting Priti Patel.

[great_fire]

Not forgetting Priti Patel.

That could be the case but I think it remains to be seen.