Derek McInnes

[Devanha Red]

He would fit it quite well on here then

I'm beginning to think he already is posting on here 😀

[Devanha Red]

What's the obsession with who specifically would replace him? It's good enough to know the current coach is having a negative affect on the clubs fortunes so he needs to go.

I'd go foreign. Scottish coaches are terrible. An attack minded coach and contrary to what a previous poster says I'd specifically want someone with limited knowledge of Scottish football so he'd come to it completely fresh and unfettered by preconceptions of what is and isn't possible.

Who knows someone like that might even think it's possible to win against anybody, anywhere.

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What's the obsession with who specifically would replace him? It's good enough to know the current coach is having a negative affect on the clubs fortunes so he needs to go.

I'd go foreign. Scottish coaches are terrible. An attack minded coach and contrary to what a previous poster says I'd specifically want someone with limited knowledge of Scottish football so he'd come to it completely fresh and unfettered by preconceptions of what is and isn't possible.

Who knows someone like that might even think it's possible to win against anybody, anywhere.

Pretty much agree with all of this. We don’t need another 4-2-2-1 Scottish minded coach. Let’s hope the next manager hasn’t been influenced from the likes of Craig Brown.

[ByeByeScum2012]

We don’t need another 4-2-2-1 Scottish minded coach.

Is that formation for after a sh!t midfielder has been sent off?

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Is that formation for after a sh!t midfielder has been sent off?

Well spotted. I obviously made a mistake but in hindsight it maybe wasn’t a bad one.

[afc1903mad]

What's the obsession with who specifically would replace him? It's good enough to know the current coach is having a negative affect on the clubs fortunes so he needs to go.

I'd go foreign. Scottish coaches are terrible. An attack minded coach and contrary to what a previous poster says I'd specifically want someone with limited knowledge of Scottish football so he'd come to it completely fresh and unfettered by preconceptions of what is and isn't possible.

Who knows someone like that might even think it's possible to win against anybody, anywhere.

Are you describing the Skovdahl experiment.
Successful at Brondby, but not so good here.

If you want to look outside of Aberdeen, how about the Ronny Deila Experiment, or the Pedro Caixinha Experiment, or a bit further back, the Paul Le Guen Experiment.

Or outside the gruesome twosome, Ian Cathro, whilst Scottish had never managed in Scotland (other than a youth team) was a wonderful experiment.

How do you fare Csaba Laslo’s experiments with Hearts and Dundee Utd? Wasn’t he manager of the year at Hearts for getting them to third.

Yes, there’s plenty of examples that we should dump McInnes and hire from abroad

[ZakkTheMakk]

Are you describing the Skovdahl experiment.
Successful at Brondby, but not so good here.

If you want to look outside of Aberdeen, how about the Ronny Deila Experiment, or the Pedro Caixinha Experiment, or a bit further back, the Paul Le Guen Experiment.

Or outside the gruesome twosome, Ian Cathro, whilst Scottish had never managed in Scotland (other than a youth team) was a wonderful experiment.

How do you fare Csaba Laslo’s experiments with Hearts and Dundee Utd? Wasn’t he manager of the year at Hearts for getting them to third.

Yes, there’s plenty of examples that we should dump McInnes and hire from abroad

Or we could go down the Paterson route, the Calderwood route, the Mcghee route, the Brown route, plus numerous other Scottish managers such as the Levein route, the Hughes route and so on and so on.

Just because it wasn't effective then doesn't mean it wouldn't be now. You're basically discounting every foreign manager based on what? Ronny Delia won the league did he not? Paul Le Guen wanted to implement a new way of playing and basically the Scottish players weren't having it so Ferguson won over him. In time who knows if his methods would've been successful.

You're almost saying that McInnes is the best we can hope to get and quite frankly that's not true, if it was then we'd be as well shutting shop as nothing in his past records say he's gonna be anything other than what he already is.

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Or we could go down the Paterson route, the Calderwood route, the Mcghee route, the Brown route, plus numerous other Scottish managers such as the Levein route, the Hughes route and so on and so on.

Just because it wasn't effective then doesn't mean it wouldn't be now. You're basically discounting every foreign manager based on what? Ronny Delia won the league did he not? Paul Le Guen wanted to implement a new way of playing and basically the Scottish players weren't having it so Ferguson won over him. In time who knows if his methods would've been successful.

You're almost saying that McInnes is the best we can hope to get and quite frankly that's not true, if it was then we'd be as well shutting shop as nothing in his past records say he's gonna be anything other than what he already is.

I was replying to a poster who said they wanted a foreign manager with limited knowledge of Scottish football.

If you look back in my posts, you’d see that I’m not against McInnes being replaced but that there is a huge risk that the move would be more likely to fail than succeed.
That’s why people (not just me) question who would come in?

For me, given the position the club is in, we are benefitting for some level of stability, which is what we need as the club has uncertainties elsewhere I.e. the stadium.

I’d be in no rush to risk a change of management until the stadium is delivered and we know the financial position we’re in.
I’d think it’s only likely to be in a stronger place as a result of McInnes’s stability.
Once the stadium is delivered, could it help entice a better calibre of manager (I know the usuals will jump all over that) and then take the risk to see if there is a better risk reward from changing manager.
Until then, for me McInnes will be in place unless he opts to leave and I think if he did, we’d replace with Paul Sheerin and Barry Robson.

[ZakkTheMakk]

I was replying to a poster who said they wanted a foreign manager with limited knowledge of Scottish football.

If you look back in my posts, you’d see that I’m not against McInnes being replaced but that there is a huge risk that the move would be more likely to fail than succeed.
That’s why people (not just me) question who would come in?

For me, given the position the club is in, we are benefitting for some level of stability, which is what we need as the club has uncertainties elsewhere I.e. the stadium.

I’d be in no rush to risk a change of management until the stadium is delivered and we know the financial position we’re in.
I’d think it’s only likely to be in a stronger place as a result of McInnes’s stability.
Once the stadium is delivered, could it help entice a better calibre of manager (I know the usuals will jump all over that) and then take the risk to see if there is a better risk reward from changing manager.
Until then, for me McInnes will be in place unless he opts to leave and I think if he did, we’d replace with Paul Sheerin and Barry Robson.

I do understand what you were trying to put across but with the exception of Caixinha then I wouldn't list any of the other foreigners as being huge failures, yes they didn't set the heather alight but as I said before Ronny did win the league and there were exceptional circumstance around Le Guen and Skovdahls time in Scottish football.

Reluctance to change because of stability is a weak mindset in my opinion, things are deteriorating and have been for the past season at least and to want to keep that status quo is exactly why we won't win anything in the near future. We're in a healthier position financially than we've been in a very long time, not due to McInnes I may add and if we want to further grow our spending power then ultimately we need a team on the park that will challenge, be it in cups or Europe and quite frankly that won't be happening under McInnes.

You talk of the new stadium, the new stadium could be couple years away, more than that and you're happy to remain with how things are? Be honest with yourself and think, since McInnes first season in 13/14 then what progression has there been?? Recruitment never has been very strong but past few windows it's been horrendously bad. Has he ever signed a player, made him a a better player and sold him on for a tidy profit? Are we any closer to finally winning the Scottish Cup again? Do we look likely to get to the group stages of Europa league with him?

The unknown will always hold a certain amount of trepidation and with good reason but you know what's worse? stagnating and accepting that this "stability" is as good as it gets. Only the bold and brave win things and these are two traits which McInnes sadly doesn't possess.

[ZakkTheMakk]

McInnes over-reliance on the British leagues for players are a massive factor in why we under-perform so badly in Europe. Signing players from Championship or below in England who are on ridiculous wages has and never will get us to the hallowed land of the group stages. They are in those leagues for a start because technically they're not very good, they may well be athletic/fast/strong/tall etc but this only gets you so far and when you finally come up against a team like Rijeka who can pass in small triangles, play passes in front of players, hold the ball well and find the killer cross/throughball etc then you'll be found lacking.

This is why a complete overhaul of our first team management, under 21's, youth teams etc need to happen if we're to have any hope of progressing as a club. I'm sure the apologists will say that with this new training facility then that's exactly what will be worked on but we haven't shown enough in the 6 years McInnes has been here to suggest that we'll turn into a Rijeka-esque team any time soon.

So yeah go the foreign route, someone who doesn't throw in the towel before the first game of the season, a manager who won't bend over and accept mediocrity, a manager who understands what success is to supporters and can bring their own brand of exciting football to Pittodrie before the lights go out.