⚽ Match Thread vs. Barrow 07.10.23 [EFL L2]

[BJPIE]

Well thanks for proving all my points BJPie about unnecessary negative posts about defenders.

You choose to focus on that instead of all the positive things these players have done to get us back in the EFL and into 1st place in L2.

I think I saw a striker miss good chances recently. Is that any interest to you? It isn't to me, but since you like to pick up on shortcomings...

We've had the one of best season + 12 games in the club's history but for you it's still about a back pass from 12 games ago and a few adverse defensive situations. Your problem, but other posters will continue to try to make a fairer and more balanced case.

I do wonder what you and others would want....a) LW to abandon the current system, change to a back 4 and make more defensive selections or b) replace players ....or both

I could, as I have in the past explain how I understand the system exposes the defence to some degree but its the poor decision making and individual errors that must stop.
However, it's painfully obvious that you only want to hear your own voice and any other view holds no value to you, particularly if it offers any criticism, no matter how justified. I find your overbearing dogmatic approach to other people's opinions quite odious.
In general I enjoy the differences of opinion NCM embodies and understand that we all have different preferences and expectations.
You seem incapable of accepting that, for which I do feel genuinely sorry for you.
There is no point in reading anything you post in future as you are not open to any response that doesn't affirm your view.

[the_anticlough]

I could, as I have in the past explain how I understand the system exposes the defence to some degree but its the poor decision making and individual errors that must stop.
However, it's painfully obvious that you only want to hear your own voice and any other view holds no value to you, particularly if it offers any criticism, no matter how justified. I find your overbearing dogmatic approach to other people's opinions quite odious.
In general I enjoy the differences of opinion NCM embodies and understand that we all have different preferences and expectations.
You seem incapable of accepting that, for which I do feel genuinely sorry for you.
There is no point in reading anything you post in future as you are not open to any response that doesn't affirm your view.

With that response, it's clear that the person who cannot tolerate an opinion different to your own is you.

I will continue to read your posts even if you won't mine.

[Proactive not Reactive]

As a neutral between the two of you Anticlough makes some very good points about the type of football/system we play exposing the defence more but also agree with BJ that we have to try to minimise the gifts/mistakes that the defenders(mainly) make although these mistakes happen in the Premier League every week so very difficult to eradicate.
I think LW will keep working with these players to improve them and their confidence which he has done considerably already and hopefully find a tall,hard tackling,mobile centre back that can play in January to challenge the defenders we have(although that would be easier if we were in the Championship)

[the_anticlough]

As a neutral between the two of you Anticlough makes some very good points about the type of football/system we play exposing the defence more but also agree with BJ that we have to try to minimise the gifts/mistakes that the defenders(mainly) make although these mistakes happen in the Premier League every week so very difficult to eradicate.
I think LW will keep working with these players to improve them and their confidence which he has done considerably already and hopefully find a tall,hard tackling,mobile centre back that can play in January to challenge the defenders we have(although that would be easier if we were in the Championship)

Fair comments and suggestions.

A player in our back 3 can spend all game starting attacks, distributing the ball well, doing sound defensive work generally, maybe throw in a last-ditch challenge, crucial blocks, even one off the line, and some would still choose to overlook all those positive things, giving preference to jumping upon a mistake. Who doesn't want to eliminate mistakes? The coach, the player, all the fans - everyone does.

Isn't it better if we look at performances in their entirety? And if we are going to seize upon mistakes, then we'd have to look at midfielders getting dispossessed or misplacing passes and forward players missing sitters. You could say they cost goals too. But it's better as supporters that we don't go too far down that road

[thefulltenyards]

Based on the football I have witnessed I believe Luke Williams wants the players to be brave on the ball, positive, maintain possession and I believe that all 3 naturally leads to more chance of individual mistakes. If the first thought of a defender is to hit it long, hit it early then less glaring individual mistakes would be made.

Yes our style results in more glaring obvious errors due to miss hit short passes, or caught in possession but the good far outweighs the bad with the above approach and it is not even close.

Only my thoughts happy for anybody to agree or disagree.

[SwalePie]

Barrow battled that well so I guess it's a decent point on the road but ultimately feels like two lost tbh.