O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[ragingpup]

Bercow is shamefully biased.

As far as I remember the choice in the referendum was leave or stay, deals wasn't mentioned.

The mandate was leave the EU something that Bercow and others like him should respect.

Deals were constantly mentioned throughout the referendum campaign, the repeated regain being that getting one would be easy.

Bercow is there to uphold the rules of our Parliament to make sure that rules and procedures are kept to. That may be inconvenient for those who wish to impose an outcome that provenly the majority of the country don't want, but that is the procedure of the parliament that you are campaigning to reempower away from the EU (as you see it)

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Deals were constantly mentioned throughout the referendum campaign, the repeated regain being that getting one would be easy.

Bercow is there to uphold the rules of our Parliament to make sure that rules and procedures are kept to. That may be inconvenient for those who wish to impose an outcome that provenly the majority of the country don't want, but that is the procedure of the parliament that you are campaigning to reempower away from the EU (as you see it)

What a load of tosh

[howdydoo]

What a load of tosh

Complete tosh

[animallittle3]

That was the case in Rotherham and many other towns but far from it nationally. 65% of labour voters voted remain. You may not accept that but there is clear and reliable evidence that non conspiracy theorists can point to. Already linked to at least twice in this thread. We can disagree all we want but clearly Labour are ****ed of they stay as they are as we move increasingly towards A No Deal unless there is action to prevent it. Labour I think know this but know that they can't win. Just a case of taking on board the changing picture - unwillingness to compromise (on both sides, sliding towards no deal default) and then deciding what to do. In light of the dreadful arrogance of the minority of the country now aiming to force us, unwillingly into A No Deal, I hope that they move to prevent it. **** outcome by not as **** as No Deal, so there you are.

I'd like to see the regional breakdown of your claim raging that 65% of Labour voters are remainers .

There's some huge brexit areas in the North East , North West , Yorkshire , North Midlands , East and West Midlands and Wales .

[ragingpup]

I'd like to see the regional breakdown of your claim raging that 65% of Labour voters are remainers .

There's some huge brexit areas in the North East , North West , Yorkshire , North Midlands , East and West Midlands and Wales .

That I agree with animal. If you live in those areas then it must feel like labour gone to brexit land. But nationally you have all the labour voters in the rest of England, Scotland, Wales and NI. The people who dispute the 65% are in the huge minority themselves, backed up with the official figure and our own experience. In my family alone I have 12 close kin who have always voted Labour, are seriously pissed off at Corbyn for allowing Brexit at all (in the only one who wants a deal, many arguments gone by) and all voted either lib Dem or Green. Labour have many voters who aren't traditional 'working class'. My in laws are quite an affluent Jewish family, very middle class but rooted in fairness and social equality.

But if I lived in Yorkshire I guess I wouldnt see it that way

[BigLadonOS]

That was the case in Rotherham and many other towns but far from it nationally. 65% of labour voters voted remain. You may not accept that but there is clear and reliable evidence that non conspiracy theorists can point to. Already linked to at least twice in this thread. We can disagree all we want but clearly Labour are ****ed of they stay as they are as we move increasingly towards A No Deal unless there is action to prevent it. Labour I think know this but know that they can't win. Just a case of taking on board the changing picture - unwillingness to compromise (on both sides, sliding towards no deal default) and then deciding what to do. In light of the dreadful arrogance of the minority of the country now aiming to force us, unwillingly into A No Deal, I hope that they move to prevent it. **** outcome by not as **** as No Deal, so there you are.

Original Referendum vote for Rotherham.
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/up...-leave-the-eu/

The country By constituency voted 406 Leave - 242 Remain

What you are basing your Remain quote on is the number of votes cast in the EU election last week but a GE is won by constituency not bloc.


Here are the results for each area:

Selby: 21,071 (remain) 30,532 (leave)
Leeds: 194,863 - 192,474
York: 63,617 - 45,983
Doncaster: 46,922 - 104,260
Wakefield: 58,877 - 116,165
Calderdale: 46,590 - 58,975
Kirklees: 98,485 - 118,755
Richmondshire: 11,945 - 15,691
Craven: 16,930 - 18,961
Scarborough: 22,999 - 37,512
Sheffield: 130,735 - 136,018
East Riding: 78,779 - 120,136
Barnsley: 38,951 - 83,958
Ryedale: 14,340 - 17,710
Harrogate: 48,211 - 46,374
Hambleton: 25,480 - 29,502
Rotherham: 44,115 - 93,272
Kingston Upon Hull: 36,709 - 76,646
Bradford: 104,575 - 123,913

Only 3 constituencies in Yorkshire and Humberside voted to remain.

[ragingpup]

Original Referendum vote for Rotherham.
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/up...-leave-the-eu/

The country By constituency voted 406 Leave - 242 Remain

What you are basing your Remain quote on is the number of votes cast in the EU election last week but a GE is won by constituency not bloc.


Here are the results for each area:

Selby: 21,071 (remain) 30,532 (leave)
Leeds: 194,863 - 192,474
York: 63,617 - 45,983
Doncaster: 46,922 - 104,260
Wakefield: 58,877 - 116,165
Calderdale: 46,590 - 58,975
Kirklees: 98,485 - 118,755
Richmondshire: 11,945 - 15,691
Craven: 16,930 - 18,961
Scarborough: 22,999 - 37,512
Sheffield: 130,735 - 136,018
East Riding: 78,779 - 120,136
Barnsley: 38,951 - 83,958
Ryedale: 14,340 - 17,710
Harrogate: 48,211 - 46,374
Hambleton: 25,480 - 29,502
Rotherham: 44,115 - 93,272
Kingston Upon Hull: 36,709 - 76,646
Bradford: 104,575 - 123,913

Only 3 constituencies in Yorkshire and Humberside voted to remain.

Further evidence that the majority of Labour voters favour Remain over Leave when it comes to switching their vote.

Poll of 15,000 voters found:

"Focaldata’s analysis for Best for Britain and the Hope Not Hate campaign found that 42 per cent of those who backed Labour in 2017 would desert the party in a new general election, with the vast bulk (30 per cent) going to Remain-backing parties like the Lib Dems, 2 per cent to the Scottish National Party or Plaid Cymru and 10 per cent to the Brexit Party.

Tories would lose more than half of the voters who backed Theresa May in the last general election, with 37 per cent going to Farage’s party, 8 per cent to the Lib Dems and 2 per cent each to Labour and the Greens"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8946191.html

[WanChaiMiller]

What a load of tosh

This is from the home page of the Vote Leave Campaign website -

quote "We should negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We end the supremacy of EU law. We regain control. We stop sending £350 million every week to Brussels and instead spend it on our priorities, like the NHS and science research."

It is signed by the following:
Rt Hon Gisela Stuart MP (Chairman) - Martin Bellamy - Harriet Bridgeman - Peter Cruddas - Nigel Dodds MP - Suzanne Evans - Lord Forsyth - Alan Halsall - Daniel Hodson (Chairman, Compliance Committee) - Bernard Jenkin MP - Christopher Montgomery - Jon Moynihan (Chairman, Finance Committee) - Graham Stringer MP - Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP - Victoria Woodcock (Company Secretary) - Rt Hon Michael Gove MP (Co-Convener) - Rt Hon Gisela Stuart MP (Co-Convener) - Matthew Elliott (Chief Executive) - Dominic Cummings (Campaign Director)
- Steve Baker MP - Ian Davidson - Nigel Dodds MP - Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith MP - Rt Hon Frank Field MP - Lord Forsyth - Rt Hon Liam Fox MP - Rt Hon Chris Grayling MP - Dan Hannan MEP - Boris Johnson MP - Paul Keetch - Lord Lawson - Andrea Leadsom MP - John Longworth -Lord Owen - Rt Hon Priti Patel MP - Dominic Raab MP - Graham Stringer MP - Rt Hon Theresa Villiers MP - Rt Hon John Whittingdale MP.

It doesnt say leave with 'no deal'. I think MPs have an obligation to deliver this promise.

[BigLadonOS]

This is from the home page of the Vote Leave Campaign website -

quote "We should negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We end the supremacy of EU law. We regain control. We stop sending £350 million every week to Brussels and instead spend it on our priorities, like the NHS and science research."

It is signed by the following:
Rt Hon Gisela Stuart MP (Chairman) - Martin Bellamy - Harriet Bridgeman - Peter Cruddas - Nigel Dodds MP - Suzanne Evans - Lord Forsyth - Alan Halsall - Daniel Hodson (Chairman, Compliance Committee) - Bernard Jenkin MP - Christopher Montgomery - Jon Moynihan (Chairman, Finance Committee) - Graham Stringer MP - Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP - Victoria Woodcock (Company Secretary) - Rt Hon Michael Gove MP (Co-Convener) - Rt Hon Gisela Stuart MP (Co-Convener) - Matthew Elliott (Chief Executive) - Dominic Cummings (Campaign Director)
- Steve Baker MP - Ian Davidson - Nigel Dodds MP - Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith MP - Rt Hon Frank Field MP - Lord Forsyth - Rt Hon Liam Fox MP - Rt Hon Chris Grayling MP - Dan Hannan MEP - Boris Johnson MP - Paul Keetch - Lord Lawson - Andrea Leadsom MP - John Longworth -Lord Owen - Rt Hon Priti Patel MP - Dominic Raab MP - Graham Stringer MP - Rt Hon Theresa Villiers MP - Rt Hon John Whittingdale MP.

It doesnt say leave with 'no deal'. I think MPs have an obligation to deliver this promise.

We should negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. They will not do that as has been shown by the corruptness of the EU so what you want is to scrap us leaving the EU because they will not negotiate a fair deal? We have no option but to leave with NO DEAL because they will have us negotiating for a fair deal for however long the EU is alive.

[ragingpup]

Original Referendum vote for Rotherham.
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/up...-leave-the-eu/

The country By constituency voted 406 Leave - 242 Remain

What you are basing your Remain quote on is the number of votes cast in the EU election last week but a GE is won by constituency not bloc.


Here are the results for each area:

Selby: 21,071 (remain) 30,532 (leave)
Leeds: 194,863 - 192,474
York: 63,617 - 45,983
Doncaster: 46,922 - 104,260
Wakefield: 58,877 - 116,165
Calderdale: 46,590 - 58,975
Kirklees: 98,485 - 118,755
Richmondshire: 11,945 - 15,691
Craven: 16,930 - 18,961
Scarborough: 22,999 - 37,512
Sheffield: 130,735 - 136,018
East Riding: 78,779 - 120,136
Barnsley: 38,951 - 83,958
Ryedale: 14,340 - 17,710
Harrogate: 48,211 - 46,374
Hambleton: 25,480 - 29,502
Rotherham: 44,115 - 93,272
Kingston Upon Hull: 36,709 - 76,646
Bradford: 104,575 - 123,913

Only 3 constituencies in Yorkshire and Humberside voted to remain.

I'm not BL. I'M basing it on the number of labour voters who voted remain in the referendum. It was 65%.I've posted the link twice to the you gov data. I didnt even mention the EU elections. I don't dispute that the majority of the towns in the areas you mention have deserted labour. If labour switch to backing remain, we will probably lose the vast majority of these for good. But as the majority of labour voted in England and GB overall for remain 65% (of you don't believe me, look out up for yourself and post me different) we stand to lose many more of we backed Leave, much as this is on balance Corbyn's option of with a deal. As I've said, some of my family (especially London in laws) think labour have betrayed them already by not falling behind remain earlier, and probably won't vote them again. But at the end of the day, they're as stubborn as you are as they see any deal as betrayal. What a ****ing mess.