Careless Tories!

[ramAnag]

I understand RA throwing it around at the Tories, as he says. They are in power.
But you can go through the internet and find cheats/crooks/ ***ual deviants/ bullies etc across all parties.
It's amazing how they go into that job full of good intent, yet get corrupted over night.
Power corrupts etc


So shout about the Tories, its true. But if you think not acknowledging the others is ok, then watch this space when it changes over
In 2021 Starmer said he was going to look into Labours staggering expenses.

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During an interview on Steph's Packed Lunch, the Labour Party leader was quizzed on his party's reportedly "staggering" expenses. Sir Keir stated that he would "look into" the report but failed to confirm or deny whether the reported figures were correct.




Steph McGovern said: "What is this in the paper yesterday about expenses and your top team’s expenses?

"There were some staggering figures about that and how much was being spent by some of your team."

The Labour Party leader replied: "I saw that and we are going to have a look at that.

"I have not had the chance to look at it yet but I did see it and so I will be looking at it."


Never heard owt again?

It's time folks acknowledged what a cesspitt Westminster has become.

No idea what ‘Steph’s packed lunch’ is...but I’m glad you can see why I’m ‘throwing it around at the Tories’, still...just in case there’s any doubt...here’s a list since Johnson took over.
Cummings...broke lockdown rules and lied.
Elphicke...***ual assault.
Roberts...unwanted ***ual advances.
Johnson...reprimanded over £112,000 flat refurbishment.
Hancock...broke his own lockdown rules.
Johnson...reprimanded over free holiday in Mustique.
Paterson...’egregious’ breach of lobbying rules.
Griffiths...rape and coercive control of his wife.
Warburton...***ual harassment and cocaine use.
Khan...***ual assault of a 15 year old boy.
Parish...watching po rn in the HoC.
Pincher...drunkenly groping two men.
Johnson...breaking his own lockdown rules and lying about Pincher.
Williamson...had to resign (again) after telling an official to ‘slit your throat’.
Raab...over twenty outstanding allegations of bullying.
Zahawi...’carelessness’ over his tax returns.

It’s quite a list and probably not exhaustive. You make your own mind up as to whether they might be worth a mention.

[Trickytreesreds]

No idea what ‘Steph’s packed lunch’ is...but I’m glad you can see why I’m ‘throwing it around at the Tories’, still...just in case there’s any doubt...here’s a list since Johnson took over.
Cummings...broke lockdown rules and lied.
Elphicke...***ual assault.
Roberts...unwanted ***ual advances.
Johnson...reprimanded over £112,000 flat refurbishment.
Hancock...broke his own lockdown rules.
Johnson...reprimanded over free holiday in Mustique.
Paterson...’egregious’ breach of lobbying rules.
Griffiths...rape and coercive control of his wife.
Warburton...***ual harassment and cocaine use.
Khan...***ual assault of a 15 year old boy.
Parish...watching po rn in the HoC.
Pincher...drunkenly groping two men.
Johnson...breaking his own lockdown rules and lying about Pincher.
Williamson...had to resign (again) after telling an official to ‘slit your throat’.
Raab...over twenty outstanding allegations of bullying.
Zahawi...’carelessness’ over his tax.

It’s quite a list and probably not exhaustive. You make your own mind up as to whether they might be worth a mention.

Look, I do not disagree with any of that. But as has been said.
Others in all parties never get the same amount of fury.
They should, they all do the same job.
Just because they aint blue, isn;t a get out of jail card.

[ramAnag]

I mentioned this one a few weeks back Sith, but you have to realise its perfectly acceptable for Labour MP's - or former MP's who were MP's at the time of the transgression - to act in this way. Criticism is only allowed if you have a blue rosette

Yeah right...that’ll be why he was suspended immediately.
C’mon GP...you’re better than that. He was hardly ever going to be a Labour Party/Government high flyer anyway was he?
Look at the list of wrongdoers in high office from within the current Government. If all you can compare him with is this idiot then, as I said at the time, you really don’t have an argument do you?

[swaledale]

I mentioned this one a few weeks back Sith, but you have to realise its perfectly acceptable for Labour MP's - or former MP's who were MP's at the time of the transgression - to act in this way. Criticism is only allowed if you have a blue rosette

You do post some *******s, there are Labour MP's and Lib Dem MP's who ahve committed various transgressions - Hume and his driving pts fraud, The same with the Labour MP, then there is the one currently appealing against her stalking/assault case, Keith Vaz, in all cases Whip withdrawn rather faster than has been the case with some Tories.

Its not acceptable for any MP to act this way and every party should act decisively when there is a breach of standards or a criminal offence has been committed. I am sure I read somewhere that there are 58 MP's currently in parliament under investigation for ***ual misconduct!!

Having said that this current government does seem to have gone in for dubious and possibly corrupt practices in greater numbers than is usual, Johnson is famous for not following the rules and has set the bar low re conduct etc.

[SithHappens]

I think Starmer seems to be good decent man, and hopefully will make a good PM as im sure hes going to get his chance. As has said before that there seems a lack of 'talent' in the conservative party to step in, the same could also be said for labour too, if Starmer decided it wasnt for him right now, who would step up and be a good alternative?

[SithHappens]

I do wonder what part of the electorate he is trying to appeal to https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64580487

I would think support of the death penalty is relatively low and probably at its highest in the older population.

[MadAmster]

I do wonder what part of the electorate he is trying to appeal to https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64580487

I would think support of the death penalty is relatively low and probably at its highest in the older population.

As someone 15 days short of being 69, I'm against Capital Punishment. Simply because too many people have been executed and than, at a later date, exonerated. You can't bring them back to life.....

[SithHappens]

As someone 15 days short of being 69, I'm against Capital Punishment. Simply because too many people have been executed and than, at a later date, exonerated. You can't bring them back to life.....

Yep, he says no one commits a crime after being executed, but doesnt say how many didnt commit one before being executed.

[Trickytreesreds]

As someone 15 days short of being 69, I'm against Capital Punishment. Simply because too many people have been executed and than, at a later date, exonerated. You can't bring them back to life.....

Personally, I think it should be on the table.

Scenario, - Lee Rigby killers. Never a doubt who did it. 100% nailed on.
The judge should have the option- probably with a committee to execute.
Can never be released, so why pay for them?

[MadAmster]

Personally, I think it should be on the table.

Scenario, - Lee Rigby killers. Never a doubt who did it. 100% nailed on.
The judge should have the option- probably with a committee to execute.
Can never be released, so why pay for them?

That's not the way Laws work and you know it. If there's a death penalty for murder then everybody facing murder charges could be executed if that was the verdict handed down.

One person wrongly executed is two too many, IMO. If there's a way to ensure that no innocent person ever gets executed, I'd be with you. However, it's simply not possible so Capital Punishment is a no no.

Not just for the sake of those wrongly executed. When we had the death penalty, the jury could recommend it as the punishment. Take the following scenario. A person gets found guilty of murder. The jury recommends the death penalty. The Judge agrees. The execution is carried out. The following year another person is arrested for several murders and admits to the one someone has been executed for. They give details of the murder that only the perpetrator could know and also gives up the location of the, so far, undiscovered body which is found exactly where they said it would be.

Someone has been executed for a crime they didn't commit. That's bad. A shame we can't make amends. Now, think of the anguish of family and friends of the person wrongly executed. Many lives, wrongly, blighted. Then there's the 12 people who who found the first suspect guilty and recommended having them killed. They would be devastated.

That's a lot of lives in turmoil for no other reason than your lust for "justice", for "blood".

Can never be released so why pay for them? Because we pretend to be a civilised society that finds wrongful execution intolerable and are prepared to pay to avoid that.