Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Yeah but there won't be much debate when 3 of the most opinionated political posters on here are ignoring the other one!! But we will see how long that lasts

The only poster people have indicated they wont engage with is the dim red one. Given its not his opinions he spouts but those he gleans from the internet, its hardly going to stifle debate is it?

In matter of fact its likely to enhance the debate since those being engaged with are people who at least have their own opinions and no time will be wasted with one poster who just parrots utter tripe all the time and the Forum will be pleasanter, because the overt racism, xenophobia and bigotry will no longer be engaged with.

Now there are posters who covertly express similar opinions but at least they ahve a veneer of civility when doing so and aren't rushing on here to desperately post whatever they have read on some right wing ****wits social media or other internet source.

I find my involvement in this Forum all the more pleasant by ignoring and not engaging with the dim red ones posts. others will find the same should they choose to do so, if they wish to waste their time arguing with the dipstick, fair do's its their time to waste.

[Geoff Parkstone]

The only poster people have indicated they wont engage with is the dim red one. Given its not his opinions he spouts but those he gleans from the internet, its hardly going to stifle debate is it?

In matter of fact its likely to enhance the debate since those being engaged with are people who at least have their own opinions and no time will be wasted with one poster who just parrots utter tripe all the time and the Forum will be pleasanter, because the overt racism, xenophobia and bigotry will no longer be engaged with.

Now there are posters who covertly express similar opinions but at least they ahve a veneer of civility when doing so and aren't rushing on here to desperately post whatever they have read on some right wing ****wits social media or other internet source.

I find my involvement in this Forum all the more pleasant by ignoring and not engaging with the dim red ones posts. others will find the same should they choose to do so, if they wish to waste their time arguing with the dipstick, fair do's its their time to waste.

We shall see, but with no-one representing the right, I suspect the debate will merely become a number of left of centre luvvies just agreeing with one another. maybe someone will have to step up in Tricky's place. Sink the boats.....

[swaledale]

We shall see, but with no-one representing the right, I suspect the debate will merely become a number of left of centre luvvies just agreeing with one another. maybe someone will have to step up in Tricky's place. Sink the boats.....

How do you arrive at the conclusion that the rest of those on this Forum are centre left luvvies? I'd say that RA and myself are centre left, you verge from centrist to right of centre, Af is and I'm being kind centre right with dashes of further right on occasion, Sith seems centrist and MA centrist with the odd veer to the left. Others I'm not so sure of, but its hardly a left of centre consensus on here.

Our dim red friend can hardly be counted as a representing right wing views, because none of what he posts is original thought. Its simply repeated verbatim from a right wing media or social media source. I can get that from perusing the internet myself.

[ramAnag]

We shall see, but with no-one representing the right, I suspect the debate will merely become a number of left of centre luvvies just agreeing with one another. maybe someone will have to step up in Tricky's place. Sink the boats.....

Honestly GP. I know (think/hope) you’re joking but ‘sink the boats’! Really?
We all know you like to stir and make mischief rather than offer genuine comments, but I have come across two or three imbeciles wearing a T shirt motif expressing that same sentiment and I’m sure you wouldn’t really want to be associated with such cruel, irresponsible and ignorant idiocy.

As regards the ‘left of centre luvvies’. Where has that come from? What does it even mean?
For what it’s worth I agree completely with Swale’s interpretation of people’s political persuasions on here and would add an additional take for mac (traditional and responsible Labour man with beliefs stemming from his own occupational experiences) and RS (much more like yourself…centre right but always civil and reasonably so).
That’s my take anyway, although I may be wrong and apologies in advance if I am.

Beyond that, what we’ve got is one poster genuinely offended by TTR’s unsubstantiated suggestions and three who have, over time, concluded that it is a waste of their time to continue to try and argue against points which they have independently concluded to be generally dumb and dishonest.

What we don’t need, imo, is you picking up the devil’s advocate cudgel just for the sake of being contentious.

[Geoff Parkstone]

"What we don’t need, imo, is you picking up the devil’s advocate cudgel just for the sake of being contentious."

No, that would break up the happy karass* of like minded persons who reject all opinion that isnt the same as their own and ignore it. Still worse who seek to sideline it by belittling it. TTR's style of putting forward his views isnt the best but those who seek to ignore it do so at their own peril. Need I point out the voting pattern / polls showing the proponderance of people sharing TTR views.

It was the same in Nazi Germany where those in the middle or left chose to ignore the clear threat from the right. Most "good thinking Germans" Ignoring it or tolerating it as an easy way out - now remind me, how did that work out?

*see Cats Cradle, as you likely are of the right age to know

[Geoff Parkstone]

"Beyond that, what we?ve got is one poster genuinely offended by TTR?s unsubstantiated suggestions"

To be fair, Sith wasn't too happy about it either, so make that two posters....

[Andy_Faber]

And I'll just add one thing, as it was me that rA was directing his anger at in recent posts

In post 3017, TTR suggested/implied something regarding Sith

In a later post from Sith, and many others from rA,the suggestion/implication had become a statement of fact ('saying')

There is a difference in definition and in law between implication and statement. I asked for an apology from TTR 'in general' for his tone, NOT for what he said, simply because he didn?t say it. In more litigious situations than our own 'tin pot forum' (copyright rA), TTR could have sued Sith and me (if I'd so accused him) and probably won

rA's most recent post now categorises TTR's outburst, correctly, as a suggestion/implication. So now we agree.

The issue of apologising isn't worth pursuing, the precedent of not apologising has been set and endorsed on both sides here many times, it's just the way it is.

I will however apologise to Madeline Bell for my comment the other day as she is still extant

End of from my POV and if the learned party here, GP, disagrees I'll accept

[ramAnag]

And I'll just add one thing, as it was me that rA was directing his anger at in recent posts

In post 3017, TTR suggested/implied something regarding Sith

In a later post from Sith, and many others from rA,the suggestion/implication had become a statement of fact ('saying')

There is a difference in definition and in law between implication and statement. I asked for an apology from TTR 'in general' for his tone, NOT for what he said, simply because he didn?t say it. In more litigious situations than our own 'tin pot forum' (copyright rA), TTR could have sued Sith and me (if I'd so accused him) and probably won

rA's most recent post now categorises TTR's outburst, correctly, as a suggestion/implication. So now we agree.

The issue of apologising isn't worth pursuing, the precedent of not apologising has been set and endorsed on both sides here many times, it's just the way it is.

I will however apologise to Madeline Bell for my comment the other day as she is still extant

End of from my POV and if the learned party here, GP, disagrees I'll accept

Sorry AF, but you do appear to have lost the plot on this one.

To suggest that Sith is somehow in the wrong is ludicrous and to try and deny that TTR suggested that Sith would want to ‘trash Jews’ similarly so.

Neither did I use the phrase ‘tin pot forum’ which you’ve made up. I described it as an ‘infinitely less significant little forum’ in comparison with some of today’s more major political ‘players’.

I think Sith is about the only person to have joined the forum under your ‘management’. He seems a very well balanced and moderate individual to me who is clearly upset at both the initial allegation and your handling of this whole issue. Time to sort it out and put things right.

[SithHappens]

[Geoff Parkstone]

GP, I think we can all recall a number of occasions when you’ve taken the hump or felt wronged and stropped off saying you won’t return until someone has apologised or withdrawn a certain comment.

To his credit Sith didn’t do that. He simply asked for a) clarification and b) a retraction. Now without ratcheting up the whole thing all over again I’d like to ask you a simple question.

In post number 3017 of this thread do you think TTR suggested/implied that Sith wanted to ‘trash Jews’ and was even part of a larger group of people who wanted to behave in that way?

Yes or No?

I don't have post numbers on my phone, so I'm not going to find it easily, but I've never questioned the interpretation of the posts concerned. No reason th start now. But once again, why dig it up for its daily wringing of hands and further airing?