⚽ Match Thread vs. Barrow FC 22.10.24 [EFL L2]

[nw6pie]

We’re pretty much exactly where we were at this time last season.

The problem period last season started on New Year’s Day, we won 1 game in 12 from the 1st Jan although we started to falter a little from around game 12, where we are now.

With the injuries we just need to keep grinding out results to try and get a few back or a few in come Jan.

I think the problems had started earlier than that - probably against Mansfield. Take out the two convincing home wins at Christmas and we were often flattering to deceive when we won at home and struggling away (Wimbledon, Crewe, Harrogate spring to mind). Did we have a good away performance under LW after Salford?

Agree with you that we need to keep grinding out those results, but I’d also like a faster tempo in the home games and to be up for it from the off. As SM said, Harrogate tomorrow is one of those “bread and butter” games we need to win if we’re serious about the top 3.

[matt_magpie]

Okay, Matt_Magpie - the reason I call you in particular an "apologist" is that you jump all over any post that isn't completely and absolutely in line with the party line (my posts in particular). Any comment that isn't wholly 100% positive must be ruthlessly crushed, the narrative restored and the poster diminished.

It was entirely predictable that you'd respond to my comment, despite the fact that it was almost entirely positive, but solely because it was only 95% positive, you swooped in with the opposite, rose-tinted perspective. You're not the only one by any means, but you're certainly the most prominent. It's borderline obsessive, if you ask me.

Perhaps if you weren't the way you are, the "apologist" tag may die out, but you're not going to change, so embrace it. I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me - let's just leave it at that.

Are you actually crackers? you labelled me an apologists pre-season in response to me saying things like, its not unusual to not have all business done by the first game of the season, lets see how these new players get on before we say their no good, etc etc etc.

Not once did I ruthlessly crush/diminish anyone not agreeing or put anyone in pigeon holes of "Bedwetters" or "Club apologists", the latter which you created to which I'm guessing was to "diminish" any poster who disagrees with you.

As for rose tinted, if we played bad I say, if the owners a joke I say, but I don't sign up to the constant negativity, maybe a little too much on the optimistic side but its hardly a bad thing.

[Boomerangpie]

What are the resident apologists actually apologising for? The start to the season? The recruitment?

I am totally lost by this repeated comment maybe The Pie Man can provide an explanation?

[Elite_Pie]

What are the resident apologists actually apologising for? The start to the season? The recruitment?

I am totally lost by this repeated comment maybe The Pie Man can provide an explanation?

I think it's a throwaway term in response to anyone daring to criticise being called a bedwetter.

I'm somewhere in the middle, which makes me an apologising bedwetter!

[matt_magpie]

What are the resident apologists actually apologising for? The start to the season? The recruitment?

I am totally lost by this repeated comment maybe The Pie Man can provide an explanation?

They’re the ones still happy apparently if we lose 150-0 and would watch traffic cones if they were black and white (pedalled out a few times too). I think it’s an attempt to degrade people that don’t agree with their views, still not sure what they are though???

[lunaspie]

What are the resident apologists actually apologising for? The start to the season? The recruitment?

I am totally lost by this repeated comment maybe The Pie Man can provide an explanation?

It's supposed to make them feel like Simple Simons.

[Boomerangpie]

It’s certain thrown away lots by one person whatever they intend it to mean.

I hear that comes with age so although not pleasant and a little embarrassing it’s not unusual.

[matt_magpie]

I think it's a throwaway term in response to anyone daring to criticise being called a bedwetter.

I'm somewhere in the middle, which makes me an apologising bedwetter!

I think all the apologists are in the middle, to date I don’t think anyone’s said the club has a squad that’s nailed on for promotion and the club get everything right, they just don’t cast constant doom and gloom and in some cases before a balls even kicked.

[The_Don_ORiordan]

I think the problems had started earlier than that - probably against Mansfield. Take out the two convincing home wins at Christmas and we were often flattering to deceive when we won at home and struggling away (Wimbledon, Crewe, Harrogate spring to mind). Did we have a good away performance under LW after Salford?

Agree with you that we need to keep grinding out those results, but I’d also like a faster tempo in the home games and to be up for it from the off. As SM said, Harrogate tomorrow is one of those “bread and butter” games we need to win if we’re serious about the top 3.

Agree, as I said we started to falter from game 12 (game 13 was Mansfield so ok after game 12).

LW’s home record (top sides aside) was pretty good and kept us in touch but the signs were there.

The key difference this season is that if you are defensively ok, you’ve always a chance at getting something, especially away from home. As long as we can do as you say and up the tempo (and come out of the blocks) at home we’ll keep with the pack.

[Boomerangpie]

Okay, Matt_Magpie - the reason I call you in particular an "apologist" is that you jump all over any post that isn't completely and absolutely in line with the party line (my posts in particular). Any comment that isn't wholly 100% positive must be ruthlessly crushed, the narrative restored and the poster diminished.

It was entirely predictable that you'd respond to my comment, despite the fact that it was almost entirely positive, but solely because it was only 95% positive, you swooped in with the opposite, rose-tinted perspective. You're not the only one by any means, but you're certainly the most prominent. It's borderline obsessive, if you ask me.

Perhaps if you weren't the way you are, the "apologist" tag may die out, but you're not going to change, so embrace it. I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me - let's just leave it at that.

Thank you Pie Man I think I now understand.

So a club apologist is someone who defends the club at every opportunity against negative comments and criticism and are nearly always positive. A bedwetter is someone who seeks to criticise and put a negative slant or highlight negatives at every opportunity and largely stay away from positivity and compliments.

One leads to the other.