O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Notts78]

In fairness QP you have to hold the government of the day to account for their actions, not some theoretical government with imagined outcomes.

This government has failed miserably with COVID-19 and way more people in this country have died than ever needed to with adequate planning - especially given the head-start we had.

There is no leadership to be impressed with or otherwise, it's just a series of measures to pass-the-buck and distract the public as the death toll rises.

Thankfully Starmer is a bit more supportive of the initiatives and steps the Government has taken. He is probably relieved that Corbyn isn’t running the show as the UK would certainly be in a much worse place. Dianne Abbott giving daily updates congratulating the government on achieving its target of 8 billion tests a day.
All staff furloughed on 110% of normal salary. 800 new hospitals built in recorded time and (wo)manned accordingly. Hang on a minute we shouldn’t have needed the 800 hospitals because less people would have been infected under Labour so wouldn’t have needed hospital treatment.
All joking aside, sitting at the top of the tree in the EU for the number of deaths is sad to see. This government has clearly made mistakes, as I am 10000% convinced any government would have. However, we should put this League table in to context as we ordinarily sit near the top of the mortality tables in the EU along side Germany, France, Italy and Spain.
It’s easy for us all to sit here with hindsight and zero pressure of people’s deaths on our hands or how businesses will function when this is all done, or whether our economy recovers and provide could’ve, should’ve and would’ve opinions.
IMO it’s worth seeing the end result rather than where we sit now before assessing the Government’s performance in all of this. It’s a bit like getting up/down on where Notts sit in the League when there are still games to play.

[Elite_Pie]

He is probably relieved that Corbyn isn’t running the show as the UK would certainly be in a much worse place. Dianne Abbott giving daily updates congratulating the government on achieving its target of 8 billion tests a day.
All staff furloughed on 110% of normal salary. 800 new hospitals built in recorded time and (wo)manned accordingly. Hang on a minute we shouldn’t have needed the 800 hospitals because less people would have been infected under Labour so wouldn’t have needed hospital treatment.

Thanks, that ticks off excuse number two.

[magpie_mania]

Thankfully Starmer is a bit more supportive of the initiatives and steps the Government has taken. He is probably relieved that Corbyn isn’t running the show as the UK would certainly be in a much worse place. Dianne Abbott giving daily updates congratulating the government on achieving its target of 8 billion tests a day.
All staff furloughed on 110% of normal salary. 800 new hospitals built in recorded time and (wo)manned accordingly. Hang on a minute we shouldn’t have needed the 800 hospitals because less people would have been infected under Labour so wouldn’t have needed hospital treatment.
All joking aside, sitting at the top of the tree in the EU for the number of deaths is sad to see. This government has clearly made mistakes, as I am 10000% convinced any government would have. However, we should put this League table in to context as we ordinarily sit near the top of the mortality tables in the EU along side Germany, France, Italy and Spain.
It’s easy for us all to sit here with hindsight and zero pressure of people’s deaths on our hands or how businesses will function when this is all done, or whether our economy recovers and provide could’ve, should’ve and would’ve opinions.
IMO it’s worth seeing the end result rather than where we sit now before assessing the Government’s performance in all of this. It’s a bit like getting up/down on where Notts sit in the League when there are still games to play.

If your last point is right, last season when we were in relegation trouble, we shouldn't have commented until after game 46.

[Disturbed]

There have been mistakes made by the government and no one can deny this, but when looking at the number of deaths and comparing them to other countries, then these figures can not be compared, since each country has a different way of reporting (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...y-rates-differ). The only way to compare the numbers is if all countries reported in the same way.
We can argue all day about the rights and wrongs, but no matter what, the government needs to learn from this in case a second wave of COVID hits and implement a better approach.

[Elite_Pie]

when looking at the number of deaths and comparing them to other countries, then these figures can not be compared, since each country has a different way of reporting.

Thanks, that ticks off excuse number one.

[Disturbed]

Thanks, that ticks off excuse number one.

* Note to Soccerman, seriouspie, TheBlackHorse & Co. I know you will never, ever consider that a single word of criticism against this government might be valid, so allow me to help you out with your excuses:

1. We are the only country being honest with the figures, all the others are lying.
2. It would have been even worse with Corbyn in charge.
3. Typical whinging from lefty losers.

Are there any I've missed?

So excuse 1 has not been ticked off. Where have I said that other countries have not been honest with their figures? All I pointed out was the figures are not a direct comparison due to the difference in reporting.
Over 30000 deaths is far too many, that I agree with, and could have been reduced with a different approach, but until the same reporting criteria is used, then a direct comparison in the numbers of deaths should not be used for any argument purpose

[navypie]

For me, the 'leadership' hit a disturbing new low the other day, when the utterly useless Matt Hancock actually did a great Donald Trump impersonation! He congratulated himself profusely for achieving what he described as an "audacious target" of 100,000 tests per day. His claim was proved to be a complete lie, but it was the self-congratulatory tone that was sickening. It seemed a definite move towards Trumpism, where you make a complete f@ck up of the situation but tell people you have done a brilliant job in the hope that some dimwits are sucked in. I just wonder whether this outright lying came from Hancock himself, or whether it is now a strategy decided by the leader (Dominic Cummings).
With the failure by our government becoming more apparent by the day*, expect to see and hear more of this.

* Note to Soccerman, seriouspie, TheBlackHorse & Co. I know you will never, ever consider that a single word of criticism against this government might be valid, so allow me to help you out with your excuses:

1. We are the only country being honest with the figures, all the others are lying.
2. It would have been even worse with Corbyn in charge.
3. Typical whinging from lefty losers.

Are there any I've missed?

* Note to Soccerman, seriouspie, TheBlackHorse & Co. I know you will never, ever consider that a single word of criticism against this government might be valid, so allow me to help you out with your excuses:

1. We are the only country being honest with the figures, all the others are lying.
2. It would have been even worse with Corbyn in charge.
3. Typical whinging from lefty losers.

Are there any I've missed?

So excuse 1 has not been ticked off. Where have I said that other countries have not been honest with their figures? All I pointed out was the figures are not a direct comparison due to the difference in reporting.
Over 30000 deaths is far too many, that I agree with, and could have been reduced with a different approach, but until the same reporting criteria is used, then a direct comparison in the numbers of deaths should not be used for any argument purpose

I wouldn't worry about what that tw@ts got to say. He calls them excuses, I call them having a difference of opinion.

[Elite_Pie]

I wouldn't worry about what that tw@ts got to say.

Are you feeling hormonal again sailor boy?

[Notts78]

There have been mistakes made by the government and no one can deny this, but when looking at the number of deaths and comparing them to other countries, then these figures can not be compared, since each country has a different way of reporting (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...y-rates-differ). The only way to compare the numbers is if all countries reported in the same way.
We can argue all day about the rights and wrongs, but no matter what, the government needs to learn from this in case a second wave of COVID hits and implement a better approach.

What would be a better approach though? (Waits for ‘not this one’)

[Disturbed]

What would be a better approach though? (Waits for ‘not this one’)

As we now have the benefit of hindsight, then lockdown should have happened sooner and that includes closing down the borders.
But what should have been done different from the outset was testing. This should have been made compulsory for everyone that entered the country and if this was impossible due to lack of test kits, then all these people should have self isolated for 2 weeks on arrival (the same rule as Poland and Germany imposed).
I do believe that the government, with the information supplied, has done what they thought correct at the time (as we are still learning about this virus and the advice changes), but to the minimum, as there was also an element of politics involved, because, as can you imagine, the uproar if they implemented the lockdown sooner would have been just as great as it is now.
So yes, the government has got things wrong, and they do need to learn from this in case a second wave hits. That is when they really do need to get it right as next time there can be no excuses