O/T Jeremy corbyn

[BigLadonOS]

Good grief.

Just to clarify. I was replying to your post (to confirm - the comment you made). Can you not understand that.

And hold on just a second Big Lad - please show me where I referenced Farages comment as racist?

Sorry WCM I thought you were using the argument you used as trying to tarnish Farage as a racist. My apologies if I assumed wrongly.

But you have totally missed the message he was sending.

Oh, and before I forget, your statement is in fact false. I am not saying what you say about why it was put there in the first place is wrong I am saying that it is being misused by lots of businesses to keep wages down and jobs for local people going to foreigners.

[WanChaiMiller]

This is exactly the reason. He is wanting MP's to support his leadership bid and how better to do that than make sure if he gets the leadership they will benefit financially.

You think candidates show buy votes off mps?

Where do you stand on corruption in power and mps expenses scandal?

[WanChaiMiller]

Jesus our standard are already low but will Brexit take us even further down the pan.

[gm_gm]

Jesus our standard are already low but will Brexit take us even further down the pan.

Standards in the EU high? lol...you can visit any seaside town in Spain and purchase fake designer handbags, watches electrical goods, you can be eating you lunch in a bar next to a police station and it will happen

[ragingpup]

Standards in the EU high? lol...you can visit any seaside town in Spain and purchase fake designer handbags, watches electrical goods, you can be eating you lunch in a bar next to a police station and it will happen

Doesn't this happen in UK markets? Certainly does in Walthamstow!

[gm_gm]

Doesn't this happen in UK markets? Certainly does in Walthamstow!

Its out of control pup, my point is that euro standards in Germany and France are possibly good because they may implement it. In Spain its different infrastructure improvements near me (street lights, mains sewers and pavements) should have been in place two years ago. Defective titles are rife, you can still back hand deals if you have enough money

[Exiletyke]

Its out of control pup, my point is that euro standards in Germany and France are possibly good because they may implement it. In Spain its different infrastructure improvements near me (street lights, mains sewers and pavements) should have been in place two years ago. Defective titles are rife, you can still back hand deals if you have enough money

Mind you the Spanish have cracked on with high speed train & main roads with our money haven't they?

[KerrAvon]

Jesus our standard are already low but will Brexit take us even further down the pan.

I personally don't approve of politicians trying to buy votes, which is why I have criticised Labour's stance on tuition fees - abolishing what is effectively a progressive tax in an attempt to buy power.

[ragingpup]

I personally don't approve of politicians trying to buy votes, which is why I have criticised Labour's stance on tuition fees - abolishing what is effectively a progressive tax in an attempt to buy power.

But where do you draw the line Kerr. By that definition, can any election promise be seen as an attempt to 'buy votes'?

As a party focused hugely on tax cuts historically, can the tories be seen as the worst culprits of 'buying votes'? (not implying that tax cutting is always a bad thing by any means, but interested in why one thing is classed as a tax bribe, but another thing isn't? How do you define the difference? (again, this is a thought for discussion not a big challenge, so please try not to be rude!)

[KerrAvon]

But where do you draw the line Kerr. By that definition, can any election promise be seen as an attempt to 'buy votes'?

As a party focused hugely on tax cuts historically, can the tories be seen as the worst culprits of 'buying votes'? (not implying that tax cutting is always a bad thing by any means, but interested in why one thing is classed as a tax bribe, but another thing isn't? How do you define the difference? (again, this is a thought for discussion not a big challenge, so please try not to be rude!)

I think you do rude just as well as I do.

The Tories are a party that believes in low taxation, small government and, by extension, self-reliance and personal endeavour (I’ve not looked up the Wikipedia definition of right wing, but suspect that won’t be far off from mine). Those are the policies that the Tories pursued – and the country loved - in the 1980s as income tax rates were slashed and people were encouraged and assisted to own their homes etc. With that being the case, I don’t think it generally right to call their low tax policies a bribe – it’s their natural ground.

Labour, on the other hand, advocate a larger state in which personal endeavour and self-reliance matter less. That manifests itself in some people choosing reliance on the state and economic inactivity as a way of life. So I would not call higher levels of benefits a bribe - that’s Labour’s natural ground.

The tuition fee promise was clearly a cynical attempt to buy votes, however. Tuition fees were introduced to fund the explosion in higher education provision that occurred in the nineties and noughties. That funding made university education available to the many as opposed to the situation in the seventies were it was available to only the few. Tuition fees are also, in effect, a progressive tax; those who benefit from securing a degree and earn well end up paying the money back – those who don’t are likely to find a proportion of the debt being written off at the end of the payment period.

I see the Johnson promise as a bribe as I do not believe there is a case for it at the moment. I wouldn’t want to see even more people being caught by the higher rate, but I don’t see any great injustice as it stands.

I think you may have taken my ‘couldn’t be bothered’ post to heart. At the moment I don’t have the time to post to the extent that you and some others do and so am declining to be taken off on the tangents that your posts often involve, unless the tangent is particularly interesting to me.