Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

So sending national guard in uninvited, attacking lawyers, cancelling cultural performances and institutions he doesn't agree with, having a military parade, attacking university's and apparently any suggestion that this is rather similar to what happened in a certain European country in the 1930's upsets AF so much he has a sulk and refuses to engage any more.

Still I guess in his opinion its just examples of "good" bullying!

[SithHappens]

Cats have been ruled out as a way to keep vermin out of the houses of parliament

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjqrddnldgo

To be fair I think it would need bigger cats to keep the 650 known vermin out

[Trickytreesreds]

so, back to business. To quote Sith style.

What another wonderful/ disastrous week for the Liebour elites.

Starmer has been asked to captain the Kriegsmarine S131, as they couldn't think of a finer U- turn boat captain. Continues to hide outside the country as the flak flies in the house of commons
His front bench sits in parliament and lies through their teeth, as to how they back a full grooming gang enquiry, despite
1. saying one wasn't needed
2. voting against one, the local inquiries were good enough
3. calling all folks that did want a full enquiry, far right agitators
4. Finally accepting that the main instigators are in fact Muslims of Pakistani origin
5.Finally accepting that migrants and asylum seekers have been involved, despite all the denials
6. Now saying these poor girls have been betrayed by the establishment, despite turning their backs on them themselves in many ways.

What an absolute carve up. Bless Baroness Casey, for saying what the rest of us were vilified for. (including some in here)
Whitehall troubleshooter Baroness Casey is expected to conclude that years of warnings about abuse of white girls were 'institutionally ignored for fear of racism'.

Get out of this one Labour, because if the inquiry is thorough, your party is about to get its arse nailed to the wall. We already know of certain Labour councils and councillors, being involved or covering up.

who could ever forget this gem by one of them

I know TR doesnt feature high on RA's liked list. But he was shouting this about Luton grooming since the early 2000s Labour party knew, yet chose to not know. Deserves most things thrown at him, but he only started down his path, after his cousin was a victim of one of these gangs.

But the whole subject is so ugly and uncomfortable that very few people care to linger over it. Robinson is an exception. For him — as he said in a 2011 interview with the BBC’s Jeremy Paxman — the “grooming gangs” issue isn’t something that afflicts some far-off towns but people in the working-class communities that he knows. And while there are journalists (notably the Times’ Andrew Norfolk) who have spent considerable time and energy bringing this appalling phenomenon to light, most of British society has turned away in a combination of embarrassment, disgust, and uncertainty about how to even talk about this. Anyone who thinks Britain is much further along with dealing with the taboo of “grooming gangs” should remember that only last year the Labour MP for Rotherham, Sarah Champion, had to leave the shadow cabinet because she accurately identified the phenomenon.

Starmer is done, then the rest of them

[ramAnag]

so, back to business. To quote Sith style.

What another wonderful/ disastrous week for the Liebour elites.

Starmer has been asked to captain the Kriegsmarine S131, as they couldn't think of a finer U- turn boat captain. Continues to hide outside the country as the flak flies in the house of commons
His front bench sits in parliament and lies through their teeth, as to how they back a full grooming gang enquiry, despite
1. saying one wasn't needed
2. voting against one, the local inquiries were good enough
3. calling all folks that did want a full enquiry, far right agitators
4. Finally accepting that the main instigators are in fact Muslims of Pakistani origin
5.Finally accepting that migrants and asylum seekers have been involved, despite all the denials
6. Now saying these poor girls have been betrayed by the establishment, despite turning their backs on them themselves in many ways.

What an absolute carve up. Bless Baroness Casey, for saying what the rest of us were vilified for. (including some in here)
Whitehall troubleshooter Baroness Casey is expected to conclude that years of warnings about abuse of white girls were 'institutionally ignored for fear of racism'.

Get out of this one Labour, because if the inquiry is thorough, your party is about to get its arse nailed to the wall. We already know of certain Labour councils and councillors, being involved or covering up.

who could ever forget this gem by one of them

I know TR doesnt feature high on RA's liked list. But he was shouting this about Luton grooming since the early 2000s Labour party knew, yet chose to not know. Deserves most things thrown at him, but he only started down his path, after his cousin was a victim of one of these gangs.

But the whole subject is so ugly and uncomfortable that very few people care to linger over it. Robinson is an exception. For him ?— as he said in a 2011 interview with the BBC?’s Jeremy Paxman ?— the ?“grooming gangs?” issue isn?’t something that afflicts some far-off towns but people in the working-class communities that he knows. And while there are journalists (notably the Times?’ Andrew Norfolk) who have spent considerable time and energy bringing this appalling phenomenon to light, most of British society has turned away in a combination of embarrassment, disgust, and uncertainty about how to even talk about this. Anyone who thinks Britain is much further along with dealing with the taboo of ?“grooming gangs?” should remember that only last year the Labour MP for Rotherham, Sarah Champion, had to leave the shadow cabinet because she accurately identified the phenomenon.

Starmer is done, then the rest of them

Seems like you’re back and suddenly the whole tone of the forum has changed. You seem to have Sith in your sights and Starmer too. Bet they’re both really worried. ‘Starmer is done’…what again? You’ve only claimed that at least once per month every month since last July.

This is a serious and complex problem that deserves better than the likes of you and TR using it to add to your agenda of demonising Pakistanis and Muslims.
Just a thought though. Within eleven months of being elected the Labour government has announced the necessity for a full inquiry into grooming gangs.
Mistakes have undoubtedly been made over the years, not least because of the complications added by those with a racist agenda, but didn't previous administrations have about 14 years to put such an inquiry into place? Can’t do right for doing wrong…again.

[Trickytreesreds]

Seems like you?re back and suddenly the whole tone of the forum has changed. You seem to have Sith in your sights and Starmer too. Bet they?re both really worried. ?Starmer is done??what again? You?ve only claimed that at least once per month every month since last July.

This is a serious and complex problem that deserves better than the likes of you and TR using it to add to your agenda of demonising Pakistanis and Muslims.
Just a thought though. Within eleven months of being elected the Labour government has announced the necessity for a full inquiry into grooming gangs.
Mistakes have undoubtedly been made over the years, not least because of the complications added by those with a racist agenda, but didn't previous administrations have about 14 years to put such an inquiry into place? Can?t do right for doing wrong?again.

lol, typical from you. You was backing that spineless front bench and saying we didn't need a national inquiry and the local sweep under the carpets will do.
Now you are trying to paint, their abstract failure as a sign of a decisive decision? Sorry but that doesn't wash either with you or the government.

In true Starmer style, you push it back to the Tories. May I just remind you whose areas these gangs roamed around in?
May I just remind you, which MP's squealed the most about grooming gang questions, when the Tories were in power?
(nb, see above for the public outbursts)

If this inquiry runs true, the extent of Labour involvement is going to blow the lid off politics.
The front bench, are like slippery eels at the moment, Phillips, Cooper, Starmer, lammy are all lying through their teeth at the moment, trying to appear as they are fully behind it. THEY DEFINITELY WASN'T.

The one grinding me is Jess Phillips. What a 2 faced scum bag she is. Womens rights at the forefront of her brain at all times. She is claiming to have always been behind these poor girls
She started the far right labels of anyone calling for action.
From 2022
Jess Phillips's rejection of a public inquiry into grooming gangs in Oldham has come under fire yet again after she confirmed she is still yet to speak to any abuse survivors from the town.

Labour's Safeguarding Minister had told ITV last night she was "apoplectic" that progress on implementing the recommendations of the 2022 Independent Inquiry into Child ***ual Abuse (IICSA) had been "so slow".

Phillips also admitted she had failed to speak to Oldham victims despite rejecting their pleas for a national inquiry - though she vowed she was "very much hoping to do that and arranging that".

Sam, a survivor from Oldham, told GB News: "It's infuriating to think a person who has no knowledge of what it's like in Oldham and has ever met one of us survivors in real life can make these decisions."

Starmer is done. I am amazed hes lasted this long, but I did say his own party will oust him. I still believe that to be true. His attacks on traditional Labour voters and ideals and like a knot tightening with the rope.

PS I have not attacked Sith anywhere. Yes some tongue in cheek, like he does when he gets a juicy Reform/Tory tit bit, that gives him a semi. But attack? Well if you think that's an attack, you've led a very sheltered life

yes, I;m back. Been touring northern Thailand for a couple of weeks. Mad network seemed to be having a spasm as well. I logged in and not one person had raised this news, which has dominated British politics for a week. Probably an inconvenient truth Had Farage put odd shoes on, or Badenoch farted in the commons, this earth shattering news would have a few of you orgasming with pleasure. That where the sith joke came from, just to put some perspective on it

[ramAnag]

lol, typical from you. You was backing that spineless front bench and saying we didn't need a national inquiry and the local sweep under the carpets will do.
Now you are trying to paint, their abstract failure as a sign of a decisive decision? Sorry but that doesn't wash either with you or the government.

In true Starmer style, you push it back to the Tories. May I just remind you whose areas these gangs roamed around in?
May I just remind you, which MP's squealed the most about grooming gang questions, when the Tories were in power?
(nb, see above for the public outbursts)

If this inquiry runs true, the extent of Labour involvement is going to blow the lid off politics.
The front bench, are like slippery eels at the moment, Phillips, Cooper, Starmer, lammy are all lying through their teeth at the moment, trying to appear as they are fully behind it. THEY DEFINITELY WASN'T.

The one grinding me is Jess Phillips. What a 2 faced scum bag she is. Womens rights at the forefront of her brain at all times. She is claiming to have always been behind these poor girls
She started the far right labels of anyone calling for action.
From 2022
Jess Phillips's rejection of a public inquiry into grooming gangs in Oldham has come under fire yet again after she confirmed she is still yet to speak to any abuse survivors from the town.

Labour's Safeguarding Minister had told ITV last night she was "apoplectic" that progress on implementing the recommendations of the 2022 Independent Inquiry into Child ***ual Abuse (IICSA) had been "so slow".

Phillips also admitted she had failed to speak to Oldham victims despite rejecting their pleas for a national inquiry - though she vowed she was "very much hoping to do that and arranging that".

Sam, a survivor from Oldham, told GB News: "It's infuriating to think a person who has no knowledge of what it's like in Oldham and has ever met one of us survivors in real life can make these decisions."

Starmer is done. I am amazed hes lasted this long, but I did say his own party will oust him. I still believe that to be true. His attacks on traditional Labour voters and ideals and like a knot tightening with the rope.

PS I have not attacked Sith anywhere. Yes some tongue in cheek, like he does when he gets a juicy Reform/Tory tit bit, that gives him a semi. But attack? Well if you think that's an attack, you've led a very sheltered life

yes, I;m back. Been touring northern Thailand for a couple of weeks. Mad network seemed to be having a spasm as well. I logged in and not one person had raised this news, which has dominated British politics for a week. Probably an inconvenient truth Had Farage put odd shoes on, or Badenoch farted in the commons, this earth shattering news would have a few of you orgasming with pleasure. That where the sith joke came from, just to put some perspective on it

Perspective? You offer no perspective. You just blather on with no knowledge at all taking every possible opportunity to blame migrants, particularly those whose colour and religion offends you.

Jess Phillips a ‘two faced scumbag’? I may not agree with her on everything but I’ll guarantee she’s done a great deal more than you ever have to protect vulnerable women and children. On the subject of Oldham she favoured a local investigation rather than a national one. I’ll concede I can’t be sure of the wisdom of that stance and I’m absolutely certain you can’t.

My own credentials for comment? I grew up in Oldham, lived there for twenty years and know the area well. I also spent thirty plus years working with largely disadvantaged and often vulnerable young people. I spent years as a child protection co-ordinator and have attended a great many case conferences alongside the police and social services concerned with various aspects of child abuse…but hey, how can my ‘perspective’ possibly compare with yours?

P.S. Off abroad tomorrow morning so please don’t expect me to waste any more time on you. I imagine Starmer will still be PM when I get back.

[SithHappens]

Seems like you’re back and suddenly the whole tone of the forum has changed. You seem to have Sith in your sights and Starmer too. Bet they’re both really worried. ‘Starmer is done’…what again? You’ve only claimed that at least once per month every month since last July.

This is a serious and complex problem that deserves better than the likes of you and TR using it to add to your agenda of demonising Pakistanis and Muslims.
Just a thought though. Within eleven months of being elected the Labour government has announced the necessity for a full inquiry into grooming gangs.
Mistakes have undoubtedly been made over the years, not least because of the complications added by those with a racist agenda, but didn't previous administrations have about 14 years to put such an inquiry into place? Can’t do right for doing wrong…again.

I believe Boris suggested having an inquiry into historic child abuse would be 'spaffing' money up the wall.

[ramAnag]

I believe Boris suggested having an inquiry into historic child abuse would be 'spaffing' money up the wall.

Indeed, but it was probably Starmer’s fault…or yours! I may be wrong but I think Sarah Champion resigned from the shadow cabinet eight years ago, not ‘last year’.

[swaledale]

Indeed, but it was probably Starmer’s fault…or yours! I may be wrong but I think Sarah Champion resigned from the shadow cabinet eight years ago, not ‘last year’.

Unfortunately RA, the nuance of Casey's report is again lost by right wing bigots focussing on race as a factor purely to push their anti immigrant/foreigner agenda.

The bile spewed by our dim red friend, who obviously just repeats verbatim what's spewed out of the right wing media is not what is required here.

As you rightly say, anybody associated with the last 14 years of Troy government can STFU, they had ample time to act. As for the others, they have no care for the victims, just to make political capital from something to further their agenda.

As I posted a while back and as Casey states in her report, the principle issue here is the way the victims were viewed by the authorities as being complicit themselves, there is an example where one very young victim was actually charged for prostitution FFS!

Thats not to dismiss that there is a racial element, but the main reason it was allowed is the view from social workers, police and other authorities that did not value the victims as people worthy of attention, they were and in many cases still are the unfortunates ignored by society as a whole unless as in this case there is political capital to be made from them.

Labour commissioned Casey's report and have acted on it, the acid test of course will be what action has been taken within the next 6 - 12 months. But for people to be slagging off the government for firstly commissioning a report to establish the facts and to act on its recommendations (one of which incidentally was that the proposed local enquiries would not be robust enough to uncover all the salient facts) is frankly bizarre.

But then as is well known, its the empty vessels that make the most noise, usually about things they haven't a clue about other than what they have read or heard about.

[Andy_Faber]

empty vessels...make the most noise

which is an ironically accurate comment from this forum's vessel who makes the joint most noise in terms of word count