Changes needed ....

[LSArab]

Sorry, but there's no ' we must' about this at all. The only 'we must' there is, is that 'we must' do whatever is necessary to get out of this league. The new owners will feel no pressure to give our latest dud more time. To them, it'll be a clean slate. They will be determined to do whatever they have to, to get this club promoted. If they realize by the end of this season ( or sooner) that the latest occupant of the manager's chair, is a carbon copy, both tactically, and motivationally of the last 2 incumbents, then I very much doubt they will fancy throwing good money after bad in the same way that Mike Martin did with Laszlo. It's up to Neilson what happens. He can go on playing negative, abysmal football that everyone knows doesn't work, or he can be adventurous and actually try to score goals and win games. Ultimately, failing to show the owners anything positive between now and the end of the season, will correctly end up with him being handed his p45.

Don’t agree that Robbie has that little time. The issue is the new owners are spending a lot and will want a return. He needs a chance though - hopefully all can be happy and he delivers this season

[shedka]

100% no

We must give Robbie the summer window to build, if we had done that last summer (sacked Csaba hired Robbie in May) we would be top just now

[Eamons_lost_wig_04]

yip RN tactics to counteract McDaid were a sign of the Largs over thinking switching Stanton & McMullen to cover for McDaid then not playing 2 up top didn't help us keep the ball either. The when every man and their doag could see it wasnt working he changed nout until 60 mins?
Wrong tactics and formation by the manager but certain players have also shown again they are just not good enough or are not willing to follow instructions or fight for the team??
Players who need moved on that played tonight are Booth, Frans, McMullen plus Fyvie extremely poor again(is he really what RN will build a team round) as for Stanton he was useless/spineless...(just not consistent enough) he left the young lad out to dry most of the first half not tracking runners/not tackling to deal with McDaids runs.
Only pass marks were keeper, Seaman (thrown in & came onto a game, looks a player) Nesbits cameo(why not on earlier) and just for minimum of effort Safranko (1 chance) Gomis(plenty of effort but have the legs gone?), Clark, Boughenna......Cammy Smith was very poor to offered little.

Midfield and defence still a big problem for me......still no real leaders in this team as far as I can see and still an obvious soft centre??

RN has to get this mindset of fear/complacency sorted asap or he will be gone.

[Whitfieldarab]

yip RN tactics to counteract McDaid were a sign of the Largs over thinking switching Stanton & McMullen to cover for McDaid then not playing 2 up top didn't help us keep the ball either. The when every man and their doag could see it wasnt working he changed nout until 60 mins?
Wrong tactics and formation by the manager but certain players have also shown again they are just not good enough or are not willing to follow instructions or fight for the team??
Players who need moved on that played tonight are Booth, Frans, McMullen plus Fyvie extremely poor again(is he really what RN will build a team round) as for Stanton he was useless/spineless...(just not consistent enough) he left the young lad out to dry most of the first half not tracking runners/not tackling to deal with McDaids runs.
Only pass marks were keeper, Seaman (thrown in & came onto a game, looks a player) Nesbits cameo(why not on earlier) and just for minimum of effort Safranko (1 chance) Gomis(plenty of effort but have the legs gone?), Clark, Boughenna......Cammy Smith was very poor to offered little.

Midfield and defence still a big problem for me......still no real leaders in this team as far as I can see and still an obvious soft centre??

RN has to get this mindset of fear/complacency sorted asap or he will be gone.

Midfield is the biggest problem as they do very little defensively and even more offensively.

Honestly gutted at how 5hite we are and hopefully the rest of Britain were watching Arses v Mancs on the other channel. Lol

[Hoofballer]

Sorry, but there's no ' we must' about this at all. The only 'we must' there is, is that 'we must' do whatever is necessary to get out of this league. The new owners will feel no pressure to give our latest dud more time. To them, it'll be a clean slate. They will be determined to do whatever they have to, to get this club promoted. If they realize by the end of this season ( or sooner) that the latest occupant of the manager's chair, is a carbon copy, both tactically, and motivationally of the last 2 incumbents, then I very much doubt they will fancy throwing good money after bad in the same way that Mike Martin did with Laszlo. It's up to Neilson what happens. He can go on playing negative, abysmal football that everyone knows doesn't work, or he can be adventurous and actually try to score goals and win games. Ultimately, failing to show the owners anything positive between now and the end of the season, will correctly end up with him being handed his p45.

Perhaps they will, Ogren has not bought the club with any other intent than to be successful and therefore turn a profit on his investment. Business decisions shall be taken if needs to try to do that. If Robbie’s seen to be an issue have no doubt he’ll face consequence.

[TerryTheTerror]

FFS this thread reads like a carbon copy of what was being said last season about this time. When will folk realise the cycle needs to be broken?

[LSArab]

FFS this thread reads like a carbon copy of what was being said last season about this time. When will folk realise the cycle needs to be broken?

Totally disagree. Csaba was hopeless. As opening post makes clear total faith in Robbie as man to turn it around.

The problem is the likes of Fyvie, Stanton, Mcmullan- who were supposed to be nucleus of our team and despite numerous opportunities are not delivering

Very few are suggesting Robbie should not be given summer window if he needs if we don’t go up this season. I am certainly backing Robbie all the way but only fair to point out his tactics were one of the obvious wrongs last night.

We actually have great chance in play offs this season with all new signings having time to bed in by then. Important to get second if not first.

Incredibly despite how poor we have been we still have outside chance of title.

I’ll keep hoping for as long as we have a chance

[NOSCOTCAPS]

What I'd like to know is, is that we have just let go Allardice United through and through, Ballantyne another who I saw in one game and showed up well. We are shipping them out, but bringing no better in and these young boys never got a chance. IMHO they would be keen to impress and came up predominantly under Stevie Campbell, whom we all know developed, Armstrongs, Gaulds etc. And we all know they were/are good players.

Marty Smith has been disappointing but when playing with others who seen not to bother then easy to get dragged down. We seem to be like Scotland, in that experience or playing for the ugly sisters wins over actual ability. The current experience plus the tactics has given us zip, either domestically or nationally.

Another thing on young players, we seem keen to give the English reserve side players a crack but not our own, why is that. Shows no confidence in our reserves and therefore no motivation for them to try and break into first team.

[marradonna]

I went last night and feel really sorry for my fellow souls who paid a lot of hard earned and froze their proverbials off to watch that utter capitulation.

In hindsight, we should have known that Ayr are simply a better team than us - 4-4-2, strong leaders around the park, a solid defence, pace and a real goal threat. Perfect set up to get out this league. Then there's us.

A keeper who is basically a bombscare apart from being a resonable shot stopper. Perfect example of the atrocious distribution was when he tried for the umpteenth time to blooter a high ball to our one physical presence, but ended up simply booting it straight out the park. Reminded me of thon laddie from Southampton last year after he completely lost all confidence.

Back four - If I was still playing (at a much lower level than this) I would really have fancied a go at these. Gutless, easily bullied, no distribution and slower on the turn than a supertanker. An easy touch for anybody with pace who can run at them with the ball at their feet. Ironically, the only one who gets pass marks is the new boy at right back, who got absolutely roasted at the start of the game, same as Watson last time gainst Ayr - No cover in front of you with a fast, tricky winger running right at you makes for a pretty uncomfortable night. He did OK to stick to his guns. Special mention for Booth, who played like his laces were tied together and got skinned so many times you could have sold him as a rabbit in the butchers. Their performance was summed up when Frans ushered the ball out the park in their box for a goal kick - Bewildering.

The less said about the midfield the better. I personally would have hooked Stanton after ten minutes, Fyvie after 15 and Jimmy Gomis just looked like the ball boy who gets stuck in the middle of the keep ball training session against 6 international players and cant even get a sniff. He's a club legend, but if he doesnt improve 100% by next week he should never be seen again. As for McMullan, the less said the better - A total headless chicken - Worse than Billy King and thats saying something.The idea of switching Stanton across was a disaster from the start and everybody could see it - So, Neilsen has to take the blame for that one. Just play 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 man and get us up the park on the front foot.

Safranko ran about, huffed and puffed, but he's a yard short of a top league player and doesnt win enough against any competent hammer thrower. He didnt hold anything up at all to bring the midfield into the game either, so get him a partner and use Clark the way he plays best. Was Smith even playing? Didn't see him do anything at all - Hopeless.

So where now,? Well, the clear out needs to continue - Get the new keeper in, Nesbitt behind Clark and Saranko with Aird out wide. Fyvie out until fit and Jimmy on a training regime to see if he still has it. One more chance for Stanton and get Mcmullan and Booth to brechin or the juniors where they belong. We need a goalscorer, a dominant centre half and a left back too, but it may be too late for that. Despite all that, In Robbie we still trust, but he blotted his copybook big time last night. Every fan at the game knew Ayr would come out the traps right at us, but that all proved too easy and the totally dominated the whole game. Poor man mangement - Every last one of them should have been right up for it but none of them were.

8-0 on aggregate over 3 games against a workmanlike side with 3-4 decent players above tis level says it all - We must improve starting next week, or its another year in the league of doom and yet more upheaval. Cant see the new owner puttimg up with crap like last night for long.

[Shedboy1971]

FFS this thread reads like a carbon copy of what was being said last season about this time. When will folk realise the cycle needs to be broken?

It does - Head spinning after yesterday. The facts 3 managers v Ayr - Ayr 8 DUFC 0. This isnt a making from Robbie and he must be given time. The real mistake as many of us said for Martin letting laszlo get his squad in. Move on.

Ive thought for a while that Stanton, Fyvie and McMullan were a big part of the problem but stood out in a very poor team. Stanton has one good game in 6 or 7 maybe.

We have no chance of the title in my view as players need to gel.

Despite some comments Seaman is a player - lacked cover from Stanton but for 19 was central to the very little we did going forward.

This is clearly a longer term issue to resolve as many have said. I feel Robbie is the man for that