O/T. All these strikes

[Brin]

Regarding Nurses and university. I’ve often wondered why it’s deemed necessary for the modern nurse to attend uni , previously nurses did most of there training actually caring and learning on actual hospital wards and the system seemed to work well. I’m not just targeting nurses , my wife started her nursing career at the old Royal Hospital in Sheffield . My point being a lot of careers would be better served by apprenticeship instead of uni.

Lincs, that's entirely what my Wife says. You learn on the job not out of a book or in lectures. The old fashioned way!

My Wife started he nursing career in Oct 81 and she said, plus I know, she took two exams a year just to reflect what she had learned whilst practicing. After two years the exams stopped when you qualified and were set free to nurse. Her view is that all this academic work they now want to see before you graduate is totally unnecessary.

It's no different to wanting to join the Police force. You need a degree to enlist, failing that you attend a two year course in order to obtain the required degree. So picture this, wet behind the ears 20 year old Johnny/Jenny leaves Uni with a Bsc in Chemistry but they are straight in because they have a degree.

Meanwhile, a similar aged young man/woman who have been in full time employment for three years say in customer service and learning how to deal with face on situations/life etc, are denied entry because they haven't got a degree. I know which one I'd be looking to employ. Kids fresh out of Uni straight in a police uniform with little or no life skills, no thanks.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Hello again Brin, couldn't agree with your post more and it seems we are in a similar situation. My youngest daughter is a newly qualified nurse who earns £27,000 per annum but has a £27,000 uni debt to repay for the privilege. She was on the picket line a couple of days ago but their protest was about safe staffing rather than pay. They are often being asked to do the jobs of two people due to chronic staff shortages and their main gripe isn't money, it's about being unable to do their job properly. Please don't lump them in with train drivers and postal workers, their case is very different.

As we grow older we are more likely to need the NHS. Be warned, if you don't support them now, there might not be an NHS when it's your turn.

Diversity and Inclusion Manager yearly salary at Sheffield Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust is £42000 pa

And that's one of the low ones in the UK

[animallittle3]

Pie pal, this being asked to do 2 persons jobs has cropped up over many years. if you can do 2 peoples jobs at the same time, then there wasn't 2 jobs in the 1st place. A HGV driver can't drive 2 lorries can he? Turning it around the 2 people doing the jobs must have been doing FA some of the time?
The Uni debt is the same for any job after Uni? Not just for Nursing profession.

Well not necessarily , currently there are 133k vacancies within the NHS , presumably jobs that need to be done because if they weren't then presumably they wouldn't be advertised .

Within the chain these jobs must be getting attended to in some form or another by the staff currently employed .

Just how successful these vacant jobs are attended to is probably the point .

If two jobs are covered at what cost are they getting covered ? , longer hours leading to overwork , fatigue and an impact on moral and mental health ?

Are these jobs getting covered because corners are getting cut and the quality of the care provided is at risk ?

What about waiting times for patients etc etc ?

Jobs attended to and done to complete satisfaction of all isn't the same thing as it's getting covered so the job never existed to begin with .

[howdydoo]

After reading this thread, I think I’ll watch Carry On at your Convenience this afternoon.

Cold water tap, hot water tap 😂 😂

[Townerslovechild]

People don't go on strike for the fun of it,they do it as its the only option left to them.
The health service is basically broken, from GP's, dentists, care homes to the hospitals.
To fix it needs radical changes, and billions and billions of pounds,is the British public willing to pay for it ?

[Elite_Pie]

Pie pal, this being asked to do 2 persons jobs has cropped up over many years. if you can do 2 peoples jobs at the same time, then there wasn't 2 jobs in the 1st place.

That's one way of looking at it, but it doesn't apply in this case. Nurses are being forced to provide second rate care because they can often only do half the job. That's why so many of them are leaving the profession.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

People don't go on strike for the fun of it,they do it as its the only option left to them.
The health service is basically broken, from GP's, dentists, care homes to the hospitals.
To fix it needs radical changes, and billions and billions of pounds,is the British public willing to pay for it ?

Crowded island syndrome

Too many using the system and more being added every day.

Not just NHS, also transport, schools and other important services.

[howdydoo]

People don't go on strike for the fun of it,they do it as its the only option left to them.
The health service is basically broken, from GP's, dentists, care homes to the hospitals.
To fix it needs radical changes, and billions and billions of pounds,is the British public willing to pay for it ?

Simply not correct.

You'd be throwing good money after bad. The health service needs a radical overhaul.

Nurses and ambulance workers deserve more pay and better working conditions. Particularly one's on the frontline who are dealing 1st hand with utter scum on a daily basis.

A lot of these walkouts are politically driven. Not saying I blame them. We have an unelected prime minister who frankly, made some very bad financial choices a couple of years ago.

[howdydoo]

Crowded island syndrome

Too many using the system and more being added every day.

Not just NHS, also transport, schools and other important services.

If you make them pay it wouldn't be an issue. It seems to be a dirty word for too many people where the NHS is concerned. Brainwashed.

[great_fire]

A lot of these walkouts are politically driven. Not saying I blame them. We have an unelected prime minister who frankly, made some very bad financial choices a couple of years ago.

Most people on here supported lockdowns. They have to take responsibility too.