LW says people should respect Dan Crowley's faith

[the_anticlough]

I agree, each to their own but I find the comments after every interview, from Bostock and Crowley slightly uncomfortable. Why they feel the need to do this, I don't get. It just reminds me of American evangelists and not something I want to hear in this country. It's a private thing

I think you're right, it does seem to be something of an american import. I've heard exactly the same words said by NBA players, Lebron himself often says it, or words to the effect. Here's an example I remembered - Bradley Beal



Often the context is receiving praise or plaudits and being uncomfortable with taking all the credit they thank Jesus/God. Maybe they feel they have to or should. Also, many players come from extremely difficult backgrounds and adversity and see everything as a blessing. Being a top professional sportsman must feel like a great blessing - so give thanks.
My thinking's a long way from theirs, but I'm used to hearing it and don't feel uncomfortable with it at all - it's an expression of genuinely held beliefs, humility and gratitude.

[magpie_mania]

I agree, each to their own but I find the comments after every interview, from Bostock and Crowley slightly uncomfortable. Why they feel the need to do this, I don't get. It just reminds me of American evangelists and not something I want to hear in this country. It's a private thing

As John Bostock said in his interview, it's not just the cherry on the icing, it's what makes them what they are. I guess that if you don't know if for yourself, you will not understand why they want to do it.

[Old_pie]

As John Bostock said in his interview, it's not just the cherry on the icing, it's what makes them what they are. I guess that if you don't know if for yourself, you will not understand why they want to do it.

But we all don't need to know Jesus has been thanked; Jesus will know he's been thanked silently and privately if I've understood the concept correctly. There is something uncomfortably evangelical to mostly unappreciative audiences surrounding constant proclamations. I'm happy for those who "have found their way". From now on I will dedicate all my posts to petunias whose understanding of the existence of the universe provide me with inspiration to keep looking.

"Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy "

In future any post I sign off with COPY will have the meaning:

Commend Organic Young Petunias

COYP

[crazyfists]

It's good for LW to make the point but is this what we're talking about - a few idiots on X or whatever?

This 100% and not only in this issue. It's full of absolute morons on social media in the main, a load of reactionary idiots posting things that before social media they'd have had to keep in their head. I don't believe some bellends on there are what fans think in the majority. I respect anyone for their beliefs even if I might not agree with all of them. I'm sure most people think the same.

[nw6pie]

This 100% and not only in this issue. It's full of absolute morons on social media in the main, a load of reactionary idiots posting things that before social media they'd have had to keep in their head. I don't believe some bellends on there are what fans think in the majority. I respect anyone for their beliefs even if I might not agree with all of them. I'm sure most people think the same.

We need to stop amplifying the anonymous idiots on social media. It is the equivalent of a newspaper in the 1980s reporting on a couple of random comments in a pub - except that you might be able to identify the idiots in the pub. Very lazy reporting.

[jackal2]

It seems to me from snippets I've heard or read that christianity has helped them to turn a corner from maybe some personal demons.

This is true for a lot of people and it's the reason why, some years ago, I stopped describing myself as an atheist and now use the term agnostic instead, out of respect for those who do have a faith.

I'm not a religious person, but as I've got older I've seen evidence on numerous occasions of people having or finding a faith that has led them through some very dark times to a better and brighter position in their lives, so even if I don't share that faith/belief, why would I want to undermine or dismiss something that has worked for them and improved their lives and mental state?

Understandably, if religion has had that effect on your life, you'll want to champion it to other people who might also benefit from it, and as long as that's not done in an overpowering or coercive way, seeking to control others, then it's not a problem. Dan Crowley thanking his 'Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ' doesn't offend me, it's just him expressing his faith/opinion and where he comes from, and all power to him.

The time when religion becomes problematic is those who state/believe that any non-believers should be punished or eradicated, but of course the people who say that aren't really religious anyway. They're nothing more than violent thugs and failed human beings who are too cowardly to look in the mirror and admit to themselves that they're just violent thugs and failed human beings, so they seek out some sort of vehicle/brand/cause to make their heinous actions sound moral or justifiable. Football hooligans do the same thing.

[BigFatPie]

This is true for a lot of people and it's the reason why, some years ago, I stopped describing myself as an atheist and now use the term agnostic instead, out of respect for those who do have a faith.

I'm not a religious person, but as I've got older I've seen evidence on numerous occasions of people having or finding a faith that has led them through some very dark times to a better and brighter position in their lives, so even if I don't share that faith/belief, why would I want to undermine or dismiss something that has worked for them and improved their lives and mental state?

Understandably, if religion has had that effect on your life, you'll want to champion it to other people who might also benefit from it, and as long as that's not done in an overpowering or coercive way, seeking to control others, then it's not a problem. Dan Crowley thanking his 'Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ' doesn't offend me, it's just him expressing his faith/opinion and where he comes from, and all power to him.

The time when religion becomes problematic is those who state/believe that any non-believers should be punished or eradicated, but of course the people who say that aren't really religious anyway. They're nothing more than violent thugs and failed human beings who are too cowardly to look in the mirror and admit to themselves that they're just violent thugs and failed human beings, so they seek out some sort of vehicle/brand/cause to make their heinous actions sound moral or justifiable. Football hooligans do the same thing.

All fair enough and grown adults like Dan Crowley should be free to believe and say what they like about their religion.

The problem is that most people consider themselves religious only because they’ve been indoctrinated by parents and then schools from a very early age. My kids went to a fairly steady CoE school and they were bombarded with God from day 1.

That’s why religious types are so keen on faith schools, kids need to be turned from a young age, once they’re adults they’re usually lost.

Evidence based education should be the norm rather than the exception.

[ancientpie]

I would describe myself as an atheist who hopes he's wrong ( especially on the life after death question) I was actually fairly religious until I was 10 & lost my 14 year old brother to the Trent, I questioned the existence of a glorious being looking over us then & have seen nothing to change my opinion since, however in a way I envy those with true faith because I understand & have seen how it can help some in some very dark times.

[Newish Pie]

I would describe myself as an atheist who hopes he's wrong ( especially on the life after death question) I was actually fairly religious until I was 10 & lost my 14 year old brother to the Trent, I questioned the existence of a glorious being looking over us then & have seen nothing to change my opinion since, however in a way I envy those with true faith because I understand & have seen how it can help some in some very dark times.

That's an awful thing for anyone to go through... I'm guessing from your username and the ages you mention that this was a long time ago, but that's nightmarish. Can't even begin to imagine... that sounds like the kind of thing that never leaves you, no matter how much time passes. Hope you and your family have been able to find some peace and solace, whether from religion or otherwise.

[ncfcog]

That's an awful thing for anyone to go through... I'm guessing from your username and the ages you mention that this was a long time ago, but that's nightmarish. Can't even begin to imagine... that sounds like the kind of thing that never leaves you, no matter how much time passes. Hope you and your family have been able to find some peace and solace, whether from religion or otherwise.

I second that, terrible thing to happen and share your sentiments towards AP.